I installed Mozella Firefox 2 weeks ago... and the diffrenece is striking. It's almost like having a whole new PC... web pages load far more quickly and, so far, I've had zero problems... no hiccups, no crashes, no page freezes... just quick simple easy operation.

I still have Explorer, and I'll use it if I ever have to. But there is no way I would ever go back to using it (or Netscape) as my regular defaut brower, until MS fixes ALL of the problems associated with it.

Try Mozella, and I doubt if you will ever look back... the simplicity and speed alone are worth the change (let alone virus concerns).

(One test you can do with Mozella, is to see how much faster it assesses and displays your Hotmail account and inbox... if you have one, than Explorer)

-MAS

"Netscape and Mozilla are basically the same thing. I have tried the latest Mozilla, firefox, firebird, firesomethingoranother, it's pretty cool."

That's true Masraum... except from what a computer pro told me a few months back, Mozella is a much more stripped-down version of the basic Netscape system. Kinda like an early 911 ;)

-MAS

Yep, the download for Mozilla is about 7 MB while the Netscape has a 16 MB download and a 29 MB download. Of course, if you want to add, flash, quicktime, etc into Firefox...

I've tried both and timed page loads and they seem about the same. I closed both down, loaded each one up simultaneously, and then browsed to all of the same webpages simultaneously. While I was doing this I monitored memory usage by both applications. At some points Mozilla was ahead and at some points Netscape was ahead, but I determined that where Mozilla was ahead was often because it didn't have a plugin installed for the page that I was on. Once the plugins are installed you'd probably end up with basically the same browser.

I've been tinkering with browsers since I got on the internet, just like I also like to tinker with alternative OS's and alternative Office suites.

I haven't yet found anything that really blows Netscape away. Some are a little better here or there, but none are head and shoulders above it.

I tried Mozilla Firefox and when I browse Pelican I don't get the "Post Quick Reply" box at the bottom. I've gone back to I.E.
-Chris

Michael here.

It was a spy problem. McAfee discovered it during a full search of my hard drive. There were five spy programs sitting there. It quarantined all of them and I'm not having a problem anymore.

Here's a question, if someone got in my car and took over control, wouldn't that be stealing. Why can't we take legal action against these spy programs for taking over our computers. Isn't it illegal use of personal property?

Lawyers, chime in please.

Michael

That's strange... as I'm using Firefox right now and just replied to your post with the "Post Quick Repy" box. So far all of my web pages look identical to IE.


-MAS

I just downloaded Mozilla and am using it right now... So far so good! Seems quite a bit faster than IE6, and my quick reply box is visible, but only after I logged in. (Chris-make sure you logged in first) What's the difference between Mozilla and Firefox?

I have found that many of the pages that say they won't work (like Wells Fargo banking for instance), only say they don't. Unfortunately, they are coded in such a way as to not let you get past the first screen unless you are running IE on a PC.
I am a Mac user. I usually use Safari or Firefox. However, if I go to Wells Fargo, I can't login using safari. It doesn't even give me the option.
But, and here is the best part.... If I go to the debug menu in safari and tell safari to tell the wells fargo server that I am using a PC with IE... Guess What? It works!
So, there isn't anything wrong with the code, it is in fact, the people who wrote the website not wanting to let other browsers work.
Granted, not all websites will work like this (the ones that rely heavily on active x, for instance), but most will.

And, tabed browsing is the best thing to come to browsers since mosaic! (some of you should know what that means) :D Until IE gets that update, I won't be using it much at all.

neilt

Mozilla is the make, firefox is the model.

Chris, you were missing the quick reply because you hadn't logged in as others have noticed. Firefox will have it's own cookies that keep track of whether or not you are logged in, it couldn't read your IE cookie. Once logged in it would be the same.

Neiltorda, there are several mods that you can do that will add the tabbed experience to IE. The one that comes to mind first is "crazy browser", but I know I've seen others.

Michael Elliot, You should still get adaware and/or spybot. I wouldn't trust McAffee to completely get all spyware, it works great for viruses, but I would want something more spyware specific for that.

Not to debate the merits of IE, I am not exactly sure I agree with that. Even our Host's web site doesn't load correctly for me with any of Mozilla's products. Additionally there are lots of commercial sites that have nothing to do with MS that won't work with it. I find this especially true with SSL.

The thing that I havn't seen mentioned is "drive by" infections. You go to the wrong site, you are going to get infected unless you are on Mac or Linux. Additionally, AIM seems to be increasingly a portal for worms of all types.

While IE can be tweeked to be as secure as you want it, it doesn't natively block pop-ups. Until it does, I'll keep using Firefox as my primary browser with IE on the desktop for use as needed.

"Even our Host's web site doesn't load correctly for me with any of Mozilla's products."

For me, everything is identical. But I am running Windows 98 (by choice), so maybe that could account for the difference?

-MAS

Netscape/mozilla will cause problems when you go to the pelican catalog, otherwise the forums are identical.

OK.

So, after my last post, the same thing happened again. As soon as I submit, the thing goes haywire. I rechecked and I don't have any spyware programs lurking.

Funny thing is, I haven't had this problem on any other sight, just Pelican.

Michael

My experience is exactly the same. Used IE exclusively till a couple of weeks ago. Now I'll only use if I have to. Go with Firefox.

The 2 major problems with browser/site incompatibilty are sites designed with FrontPage, and sites running IIS. It's a known fact that IIS deliberately misbehaves when it detects non-IE browsers.

People using FrontPage for anything other than simple vanity pages should be summarily taken out and shot. Administrators who cling to IIS will then be fed Solient Green casserole cooked up from those manged remains, fattened up, slaugheters, and in turn fed to the people who write Flash intros for pages, who in turn...

Not that I have any strong feelings about this stuff or anything...

man... if you feel this way about website coding, i would hate too see what you think about someone driving slow in the left lane.....

:D

This might be the stupidest thing I have seen on this web site. Chill out man!!! :D

Thanks! That fixed it.
-Chris