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9dreizig 08-01-2005 06:05 PM

A few items of interest:
My buddies in VA tell me that IF you get caught, they do take the detector but once you pay the ticket they send it back to you..
So I'd take my chances..
Going through Canada is another story, you don't get it back. Those idiots up there ( the gov. guys not our beer drinking, P-car driving buddies) treat detectors like they treat handguns.. They will rip your car apart and you'll never see it again ( they won't pay for the damages either).

RoninLB 08-02-2005 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RarlyL8

. A detector might help me out on occasion, but they need to build one that sees around blind mountain corners to do me the most good.

my V1 works in mountain twisties from reflected signals. the oncoming HP means the single or double beep Demands a brake slam because he's right around the next corner. This doesn't happen often per amt of HP seen in the mts. I'm not even sure if they can record your speed without a small straight.

Mysterytrain 08-02-2005 05:46 AM

I've always thought a nice stealthy install would be in a custom made sunvisor or a pod between the two center visor pins that would double as an interior light fixture. In both cases you would need to have a two piece unit and be able to mount the display somewhere useful and equally hidden [at least when its off]. I'm still living with my 80's era Passport and it has served me well.

VaSteve 08-02-2005 05:14 PM

I was considering doing a pod, but as it stands, I can't fold down the visors when the thing is installed. Used visors are too spendy to just cut up and experiment. :)

pwd72s 08-02-2005 05:19 PM

Nothing like Govt. oppression to make people become inventive, is there? A friend once told me he got a $900 check for a "piece of fiction" that he wrote. I asked where...he replied that he'd sent it to the IRS....;)

randywebb 08-05-2005 08:02 PM

If you think speeding tickets are Govt. oppression, wait until you see what Bush has in store for us...

930LDR 08-06-2005 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by emptyo
You might consider making a little "flyout" module for the display, as we've done with this BMW Z8. That way it will keep the display eye level, but still virtually impossible to see by those pesky state troopers.

http://kustomkaraudio.com/images/gal...e/DSC00111.jpg

This looks awesome! Have you ever thought of making generic pods like this?

thulsadoom 08-17-2006 06:53 PM

Where does the K40 remote go on a 911?
 
I had a K40 in the platic grill of my old car, where they recommend it, and it worked absolutely great. However, the front of the 911 is all steel, so where to put it? I was thinking on top of the front license plate frame, but the box is actually going to stick out a bit. Plus its a bit low down there.

I guess it can be mounted behind the mirror or something but I dont imagine that will be very pretty. My understanding is when its behind glass that does cut down on its detection capabilities quite a bit anyhow.

Yearrrg.

Not like I speed that much, but the darn thing is sitting my garage staring at me.

Suggestions?

84toy 08-17-2006 07:38 PM

Although for optimum performance the detector should be mounted high, I just use a small piece of velcro on the dash of all my vehicles. The V-1 works fine.

I have two strips of velcro on the detector. One that attaches to the dash strip and the opther is to attach a spacer to compensate for the taper of the dash so the detector is level. I leave the appropriate spacer in each vehicle.

If I get pulled over, a quick yank and toss it under the seat in 2 seconds. Works great to prevent theft as well when the top is off and I pull over for a meal.

Most cops know the tell tale sign of the suction cups on the glass. Most are not real sympathetic if they know you are using a detector and it's best to avoid that scenario if there is any hope for a warning.......

I am in the mountains all the time. The HP sits right around a corner so they can nail you as you come around. The V-1 goes off easily before visual site can be made (before the turn).

Rates as my best tool ever......

PDACPA 08-18-2006 05:51 AM

My K-40 was preinstalled by the previous owner so I cannot give 100% confirmation of the sensor location. I traced the wires to the front bumper (the wire runs up the passenger side of the front boot). The brain is mounted in the glove box ceiling. The red LED lights are mounted on either side of the Tac. There is an on/off switch to the left of the ignition.

I have a V-1 that is hardwired in my M3. It does use the suction cups and it is mounted just above the mirror and I have a remote display in the ash tray. With my tint strip, it is basically invisible from the front (and way too high up for "Barney" to see it when standing at my window. With the remote display, the V-1 looks off so it is not seen through the back window. My tint is 20% anyways so it would be hard to see the lights unless it was at night.

I like the V-1 display etched in the mirror best (just pricey). People have found different ways to hide the main V-1 that are very stealth. Do a Google for V-1 or Valentine and you can find all sorts of hits.

I just installed (Waiting to power up) the Blinder Laser Jammer in the M3. Very stealth. Dying to test it out as the V-1 tells you that you got hit byLaser but it is too late at that point.

PDACPA 08-18-2006 05:53 AM

Love that V-1 Pod! I think I would relocate it so that if you did get pulled over it was not so visible. It looks fablous and OEM.

Super_Dave_D 08-18-2006 06:46 AM

I love traveling home to Virginia - The first sign you see is "Welcome to Virginia", then "RADAR Detectors are Illegal", then "Speed Enforced by RADAR, VASCAR, and Aircraft". And, of course, the obligatory buckle up and speed fines doubled in construction areas signs. The troopers also are known to have Radar detector detectors. the max top speed limit is 65. Anything over 80 is reckless (class 1 misdemeanor and must appear in court no matter where you live) and over 100 assures you jail time. Rule: while in VA be cool oh and eventually they will get you for that lack of front plate. Glad I only visit.

PDACPA 08-18-2006 08:29 AM

Glad I do not live there!

Many moons ago I did get stopped in Virginia. The cop asked for my radar detector. He took it back to his cruiser and came back and handed me my ticket. I then asked him for my radar detector. He promptly went back and got it and gave it back to me.

I was thinking afterwards that there was probably some rule that he could confiscate it if I did not request that it be returned.

No idea if that is true, but I got the feeling if I had not asked for it, he was not giving it back.

Super_Dave_D 08-18-2006 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PDACPA
Glad I do not live there!

Many moons ago I did get stopped in Virginia. The cop asked for my radar detector. He took it back to his cruiser and came back and handed me my ticket. I then asked him for my radar detector. He promptly went back and got it and gave it back to me.

I was thinking afterwards that there was probably some rule that he could confiscate it if I did not request that it be returned.

No idea if that is true, but I got the feeling if I had not asked for it, he was not giving it back.

My brother is a cop in VA and he said they could not confiscate detectors but they might forget to give them back. He did say that one day he pulled a guy over for defective equipment and the guy stepped out and slammed the detector on the ground breaking it and said something to the effect "damn thing doesnt work" - brother wasnt runnig radar.

cmcfaul 08-18-2006 09:50 AM

I have a 73 911 e and have yet to find a great spot for the detector. I have gotten pulled over more offten for the detector being seen then for speeding. The ticket is a major PIA because you can't just pay the ever increasing fine. You have to show up in court. They never took the dector.

You guys are all talking up the V! as the best. Do you know the ad that V1 runs all the time is based upon detector tests / comparisons in 2002. Since then I believe they have fallen behind in performance. They do have the arrows though.

Chris
73 911 E

Zef 08-18-2006 10:08 AM

You guys are very lucky to have the privilege to do that...better not to be caught with that in the car here...very lucky guys.

Nickatnyt 08-18-2006 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RarlyL8
Actually I don't use detectors. Never have. When driving in a spirited fashion I am total "on". All senses at 10 and eyeballs everywhere. A detector might help me out on occasion, but they need to build one that sees around blind mountain corners to do me the most good.

My Valentine 1 sees K band around corners and over slight hills perfectly. That is why so many people swear by them. Since you haven't used one then I would understand why you would not know this important piece of information.

randywebb 08-18-2006 11:12 AM

"around" means it easily detects the reflections off of trees, rocks, buildings, etc.

Radar is propagated in a straight line; it does not 'bend'.

The V1 has not been appreciably exceeded inany meaningful performance characteristic yet. It is still the best overall by a long shot.

Plecostomus 08-18-2006 11:48 AM

Many of you guys wear baseball caps when you drive. Why dont you put the detector in the roof of the cap?

randywebb 08-18-2006 02:23 PM

Why stop there? We could install one in our sagittal crests.

Plecostomus 08-18-2006 02:48 PM

Or perhaps the subarachnoid space.

berettafan 10-06-2006 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by randywebb
Why stop there? We could install one in our sagittal crests.
i'm not sure but that sounds like it would hurt an awful lot. in fact i'd rather not have anything electronic near my sagittal crest.:eek:

84porsche 03-23-2008 06:53 PM

Any more pictures of a V1 installs? I am a proud owner of one officially now and can't make the suction cups work worth a damn.

onlycafe 03-23-2008 08:44 PM

what about the sun visor clip? i use the remote display with the visor clip. very hard to see from behind in my targa. if pulled over i can remove and hide the unit and remote, and replace the lighter in the socket in just a few seconds.
most important thing is to not hit the brakes when tagged.....dead giveaway.

RSBob 03-23-2008 09:26 PM

On the 73 I have not found a stealth location for my V1, (so on the visor it clips) but did install a remote kill switch under the dash. Sure beats the obvious raising the arm to the visor for turning the thing off - plus its just more handy. I too ran the power line up the A-pillar, so there are no lose wires, suction cup marks, etc - unless they want to bend down into a lowered car and look up the the visor.

Trotskyite 03-23-2008 10:38 PM

Has anyone tried mounting it to a roll bar? Would that foot and a half of distance from the window really make that big of a difference? If anything your rear detection would be better. Then again I have no idea of what makes these things effective...

cdrik915 03-24-2008 03:17 AM

Just a friend's idea.....http://images3.hiboox.com/images/1308/tqonf9m0.jpg

And this is doable.

dshepp806 03-24-2008 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrik915 (Post 3845907)
Just a friend's idea.....http://images3.hiboox.com/images/1308/tqonf9m0.jpg

And this is doable.

Anybody seen this install? Just an idea???? Looks clean, clean, clean!!! I'd probably want a switch that would turn off the alarm display portion,...leaving a nice blank display when the chips are down...

Best,

cdrik915 03-24-2008 05:35 AM

Anybody can have seen this installed caus' doen't exists yet.....but perhaps a special order is coming.
After asking a great member of this forum ,that's doable .
It must be totally invisible caus' here , your car can be kept by the cops if they find a V1 installed in...AND SOLD .

I'll let you know the news about it.

PDACPA 03-24-2008 05:53 AM

This is in my M3 not my 911. But another idea to make it look OEM. The other switch is for the Laser Diffuser (have to turn it off after they tag you with laser so they can get a "Reading" and realize you are not speeding! :Dhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1206366810.jpg

PDACPA 03-24-2008 06:00 AM

I think the company stopped making these mirror etched V-1 displays (but that does not mean it could not be done again (I believe they were $200 and you still had to buy the main V-1 unit). Not sure why you need a TV there too, but oh well.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1206367189.jpg

RWebb 03-24-2008 10:20 AM

Generally, you want the display near your line of sight down the road, and as far from your eyeball as possible (so you don't need to refocus to see it). Those two criteria suggest a mount near the bas of the windshield or similar. Down low on the center console is not the best idea in terms of ergonomics.

The problem tho is that the windshield base might be easily seen by someone outside the vehicle. You could have a turnoff switch and a small hood to hide it.

Another idea is to remove the seat belt warning light and put the display there. That seems like a good compromise solution to me.

PDACPA 03-24-2008 11:02 AM

I agree with where you say to place it. However, if you are trying to conceal it, ash tray and center console locations make it much easier to conceal. You will hear the alarm sound so you can being your speed decrease and then make a glance to know the location (we are talking fractions of a second).

Also, if you do get stopped, it is easy to slide your hand over and turn off the system and close the ash tray door so "Barney" cannot see it when standing next to your window asking " Do you know how fast you were going?"


(I got pulled over 2 hours after buying my 911 and was driving home and received that question. My response was, "No officer the gauges are all in German and I have not figured out how to read them yet." He let me go.SmileWavy

Por_sha911 03-25-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84porsche (Post 3845588)
Any more pictures of a V1 installs? I am a proud owner of one officially now and can't make the suction cups work worth a damn.

Make sure the glass is super clean.
Add a tiny bit of moisture to the cups before pressing them onto the glass.
I also find that they won't stick if the glass is cold.
p.s. search Valentine and you'll find another thread about installs.

RWebb 03-25-2008 08:00 PM

Dog slobber is the ultimate in getting the cups to stick to the windshield.

911Rob 03-26-2008 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osidak (Post 1404416)
Concealment is nice .....snip....
I may still get the ticket (haven't yet thankfully) but I won't loose my V1 as well as get the ticket.


TIP:

I keep my old POS $100 radar detector under the seat, if I'm driving somewhere that is illegal for detectors and a cop asked for it; I'll give him the old POS one, not my expensive, cherished V1.

Hope that helps? I'm sure most people have an old detector laying around.

;)

911Rob 03-26-2008 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9dreizig (Post 2045733)
A few items of interest:
My buddies in VA tell me that IF you get caught, they do take the detector but once you pay the ticket they send it back to you..
So I'd take my chances..
Going through Canada is another story, you don't get it back. Those idiots up there ( the gov. guys not our beer drinking, P-car driving buddies) treat detectors like they treat handguns.. They will rip your car apart and you'll never see it again ( they won't pay for the damages either).

Yup.... see my post above ^^^^ ;)

Rick Lee 03-26-2008 09:35 AM

No, VA no longer confisctaes them. Just just take them for a minute to write down the serial # as evidence and then hand them back to you with a ticket.

kodioneill 03-26-2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emptyo (Post 1402346)
You might consider making a little "flyout" module for the display, as we've done with this BMW Z8. That way it will keep the display eye level, but still virtually impossible to see by those pesky state troopers.

http://kustomkaraudio.com/images/gal...e/DSC00111.jpg


i went to high school with a michael oneal in upstate new york, could that be you?

RWebb 03-26-2008 12:43 PM

A small flyout that fit the corner of the windshield would be a great thing to sell...

ROb - I like the variation on the "mugger's wallet" idea. A very similar feeling.


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