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Targa Top repair

My 1972 911 Targa top is looking a little tattered after many good years. Can anyone suggest what parts need to be ordered to repair it. I found the list a little confusing. I would like to put a new skin on it. Is that difficult?
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Search for Targa Tops on Ebaymotors.com. There is a guy there that claims to be a specialist at rebuilding Non-leaking tops. He also sells rebuild kits.
I do however harbor a bit of reservation regarding this individual...He listed a center console for a Carrera, describing the item as perfect. The photo shows the console next to two other consoles, with the one that is for sale, missing the front mount tab. When I inquired as to the difference between the consoles, he replied that the front mount tab was broken off. Perfect!???
At any rate, he might be worth a call, as his number is listed in his ebay auctions.
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Targa Top Articles

Check out these three articles from the Pelican Parts Technical section:

Targa Top Reconditioning

Targa Top Recondition (another)

Targa Top Recover

Also, you can search past posts to find references to people who have had their tops rebuilt.

Hope this helps.
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I suggest using this guy (http://www.carsincnj.com/). Either for parts to do yourself, or he refinishes tops. I bought the supplies from him and reconditioned mine myself. It was a bit of a PITA, but well worth it. I Reconditioned my top for about $150.00! Looks factory original.
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I think I found him at www.carsinc-nj.com as dj393 said. dj393, was it a hard job. How far into the top did you get? just a skin or further?
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Although I don't have a Targa, I did stop by Dan's shop to buy an airbox lid for my 993. Dan is at www.carsinc-nj.com nice guy, and I got to watch him restore a top or two. Very high quality work. If memory serves, he offers a "menu" of various levels of restoration to a top. No affiliation, etc...
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I'm in Jersey, where is this Dan guy?
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Dan does a great job, he does the whole thing. Mine was popping off of the clips front and rear. The secret to stopping that isn't to get the longer clips, it's getting the top restored correctly. With the top in good shape it'll stay on through bumps and 150 mph speeds.
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I took mine all the way to the frame. Replaced foam, burlap, headliner and skin. It wasn't to difficult (just have to be patient!) A word of advice: If you do your top yourself, make sure you pay attention to the nuts behind the top clips on front and back (floating nut!!) I used duct tape to hold them in place and didn't have too much trouble. Also, let the top skin set in the sun for about 30 min prior to installing (loosens the skin and makes it easier to stretch) You will find some great instructions on our host's website:
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I have known Dan for the past 15 years. He is great guy and does excellent work. Would recommend him with out a second thought.
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I called Dan, and you guys are right, he is a nice guy. He told me he was reconditioning a targa top tonight and said to stop by. He says he has all the parts in stock and will give me a little demo. He only lives about 15 miles from me so this should be a good adventure. I'll keep you guys posted on what I find.
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Targa Top

The reinforcement material that Porsche used was a fine dense burlap. It wears out my guess, from looking at over 900 tops, in between 15 and 20 years depending on climate. This after all is nothing but a burlap bag. This needs to replaced for it is what prevents wind noise, water leaks and the top from tring to fold it self up.

The local trim shop is what has ruined the reputation of the Targa with either not repalcing reinforcement materal or using a convertable top two way strech material. Wind noise is now worse that when you started.

I use a product form the aircraft industry for my inner reinforcement material. It is 10 times better than burlap though it cost 3 times as much. Ir will last 50 years and is water proof. It is the ticket. This is what I call a two stage repair.

If the the inner reinforcement is left to long in disrepair it will strech the webbing and now you are a at a three stage repair.

Just for the record, this is a very difficult job to get the material on right.
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Stopped at carsinc last nite and watch the first half of a rebuild and it was interesting. First off, Dan has seached the world for the best materials and keeps looking all the time. He has beautiful skins and headliners and interesting webbing material, far better that factory burlap bag. Second, he has everything ready to go and a complete inventory of new and used replacement pieces including side rails, frames, and you name it. This looks like a job that requires a high skill level so I am going to start to strip top myself, see what I need and get it from Dan. If I run into trouble he can always bail me out and put it back together. I'm sure I can get it apart, it's getting it back together.
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Update: Stripped down my top last night and all the soft material inside of it is falling apart (it is 32 yrs old). Looks like this one needs a complete rebuild (what carsinc calls a 3 stage job). Lots of screws in hard to find locations but all in all all not a bad job. Spent about 4 hours so far getting it apart. Will spend more time at carsinc tonight learning/deciding what to do.
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Update 2: Spent a few hours at carsinc last night and realized that once the webbing is removed from the cross slats that everything will start floating around and become misaligned. Carsinc uses a holding fixture to set this all up and I think that is the best thing for me. I want this top to fit right and look perfect and if I waste all this time and material and have crap I will be very unhappy. I'm sure I can get it together but I'm going to let Dan finish it up. I want this to add value to my car not be a liability.
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Update 3: Positioned my top in Dan's (carsinc) fixture and secured all cross plates. Then drilled out all rivets holding webbing in place and cleaned up all old material on slats. Coated new webbing with upholstery glue, let setup for about 15 minutes and then stretched it into place and clamped it down. Drilled webbing for new rivets and installed them. If you get this wrong, nothing will fit right from here on out.
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You might consider stripping the door panels now so you are prepared to adjust your windows/regulators for maximum closure against the new targa top. The battle is won with a new top, proper seals, and finally adjustments via access to nuts behind the door panels. Dan knows this stuff and can help you by fitting the top at his shop.

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Thanks Jdub, I'm sure you're probably right. Actually Dan said that would probably need to be done. He will probably finish the top tomorrow night and I'm going to be there so I won't have a chance to get a jump on it with the door panels, but I'm not in any rush.
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burns turned out to be a good guy though at first I had my doubts. He wanted me to tell him everything about Targa Tops that I knew. Fitment years, upgraded material, how I ship tops, how i got into the business, you name it. I could hardly get any work done form all the questions. There are so many details that you don't want top be distracted. Top turned out like new with no wrinkles or problems.
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