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[juan ruiz]

BE AWARE IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THE UNDERGROUND RACING SCENE, DO NOT CONTINUE!

Porsche Carrera Turbo vs Mitsu Evo AWD Turbo 600whp


Since I spend the good half of the day at the dyno I figure I needed more juice, after all I am a Junkie

So I went to the local gas station where we had a selected group of fast cars, within an hour the place was pack, a thing that makes me very unconfortable, I spoke with the "broker" and everyone swears that they have something for me, as you can imagine once more I am the "Lone ranger" until this point no one has offered to run me, that was about to change as they brought a Mitsu Evo AWD Turbo with a claimed 600+ to the wheels, as this point I overhear a few coments that tonite was our night to lose,

the rules were simple we pick up point A and we had a Car with flashing lights at point B a little more than 1/4 mile, the run was from 1 st gear 15-20 mph, Since my speedo is not working I had no choice but to have the Evo Lead the start, the evo camp brought 3 of them and this one was the "Heavy Hitter".

Since the scene was getting too pack and I dont like to be in troubble my demand was clear, I run and once the 1/4 win or lose I continue home, one race and one race only.

So we line up the evo had a co-pilot and I had God, and my video camera which I thought that I start which I did not, so we go 1st gear I am next to him and we go ! he has about 2 feet jump on me, I go 1 st pass him, second I am pulling away, 3 er I keep gaining 4 th is all over I have CLEARLY BEATING this EVO REAL BAD, I said minimun 3 cars, as soon as I pass and I continue my way as we had agreed I call the guys on the finish line, they replay" you Slaughter them Bad" so I call another guy from the finish line and the same story.

Within seconds now we have 3 cars that will run us, problem is I only run one time and one time only, everyone had there chance, now the story is that the Evo miss a gear, of course he miss a gear he lose, even if he had not the car maybe fast but it was no match for us, I had a lot troubble finding my "Boost"Selector and when I did it was all over.

I had to lower the low boost to 15 psi from 20 and it worked out great I also lowered the high boost to 22 psi from 30 psi

I hate my self ,that could had been some awesome video, we had plenty of witness so you guys have to the my word for it..............
Until next time..........

[Tooth911]

Ah ,the Lone Ranger rides agian victorious so many try so few make it!

[1fastredsc]

That's a pretty slow roll, usually with turbo cars that have trailing arms, you get nothing but wheel hope till your at least in second sometimes third. Congrats, it's usually hard to beat the traction of an awd car like that.

[twin plugged targa]

With the weight distribution of the 911 and te fact that the weight is thrown onto the back wheels on launch I would have thought that the AWD evo would have not had so much of an advantage and the front wheel drive part would not have had much effect, much like your front brakes being the stopping factor and the rears haveing little to do (hence cheaper/older cars had disc front drum rear brakes).
Just my opinion,
Oh, and congrats Juan- be safe!
Ben

[juan ruiz]

Thanks!

I have to agree AWD car with 600+ HP are no joke and in the real life they will smoke must of the cars outthere..........

The phone has been of the hook all day! People calling to tell me all the dirt, it appears that the evo miss 4th gear, and according to the "Brokers" he took the lose with great pride, they said that in 3 er gear I was just pulling away like crazy, they were all bump and they claim that I ruin the night for everyone as they were all excited and everyone wanted to talk to me, pretty cool I guess, I think that the fact that I was there at 11.00PM SHARP and that I went to run and go home, I like to think that they all know that I am all business, and no one knew that I was on low boost, so as we stand we are 24-0 Undifited from a roll!

I was all smiles on the way home, Thank you to all of you that support our quest and some of you that have gone the extra mile for me, I do appreciate this a lot, all do I may be a "Lone Ranger" At the races my Camp is the best.

[camgrinder]

Hey Juan,
Congrats on the win, now the Mitsu crowd is going to be gunnin for you.

Rumor has it somewhere in New York they run a "flying mile". I think it starts from a roll like you do and go for an entire mile. some super fast cars with some crazy drivers.
I heard about a turbo Supra engine that prints 800+rwhp installed in a Toyota Cressida wagon. I am guessing 180+ mph?
Crazy!

[juan ruiz]

Thanks John

We have the 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile and the 1 mile all mark, we used to run all of them but at 175mph+ is very scary so I dont do it any more, heck we have hondas and vws vr6s that will run ANYONE from 80 mph roll, if you can call that a roll to 160 or 180 mph, and you be surprise how many Porsche guys will not even attemp to run them

We have a 240 sx with a skyline turbo motor 700+hp, a IS 300 Lexus with a supra motor 800+hp, lots of supras, lots of stangs but they are with the domestic boyzs, and a few other ones, I know of one 993 TT with 870rwhp, a 911 with a 3.5 with 830rwhp, BMW M3 Turbo 700 hp,lots of 600 hp hondas, theres a 1,000 hp viper rolling around and a few others, at the end of the day I am just a small fish

[David]

Juin, would you explain the low boost / high boost? Is this for different gears or for the launch?

[juan ruiz]

As you know I have a DTA EFI with launch control, this system will allow you to set your boost settings at any particular rpm range, but to do this you have to do it with the lap top, so I choose to operate it manually so I have an EBC so I can make changes on the fly with out a lap top, we just this week made some changes and the EBC has 2 settings "Low" Boost and "High" boost, we then installed a remote wire less switch that will allow you to switch it from the steering wheel without taking your eyes from the road/track, we set the low boost to 20 psi and the high boost to 30 psi, we then took her for spin and dial in the boost to be at a level were this will not spin the tires, on low boost even with the drag radials she will just rip them all the way, so we lowered to 16 psi low boost, the high boost depending on the occation either 28-30 psi, so on the street we roll on low boost 1 st and 2 gear then switch to high boost on 3 er and leave it like that, for the track I can have all 30 psi if I wanted out of the hole but we usually leave the line at 3580 rpm and 7 psi of boost which I control with the throddle, once out of the hole the same scenario low boost 1 and 2 then on 3 er 4 th and 5 high boost.

[1fastredsc]

Originally posted by twin plugged targa
With the weight distribution of the 911 and te fact that the weight is thrown onto the back wheels on launch I would have thought that the AWD evo would have not had so much of an advantage and the front wheel drive part would not have had much effect, much like your front brakes being the stopping factor and the rears haveing little to do (hence cheaper/older cars had disc front drum rear brakes).
Just my opinion,
Oh, and congrats Juan- be safe!
Ben

Because of the rear trailing arm suspension, when porsche's launch, they usually "wheel hope" because the suspension is compressed and the trailing arms try to push themselves up. I remember my 951 used to do that a lot, especially in 2nd gear, and that was with 1 bar of boost and some 245 steet tires in the rear. I can't imagine trying to control juan's car!

[JonT]

Thanks for the story Juan--great reading!

[juan ruiz]

I can't imagine trying to control juan's car!

Is a hand full I tell you that, at the track is not bad at all ,as you know I have a custom made spool on the street the road is not as friendly

thinking about going drifting
just kidding

[WydRyd]

Awesome stuff Juan. Keep the stories coming! We love'em

[jpahemi]

Juan:
How do you run 25-30 psi??!! Do you have any pics of your engine, please show this beast. You run this setup with narrow body 911, are the swing arms 911 or 930?
Regards,
j.p.
Ps. la máquina es una bestia, muy chevare.

[juan ruiz]

How do you run 25-30 psi??!! Do you have any pics of your engine, please show this beast. You run this setup with narrow body 911, are the swing arms 911 or 930?


How do you run 25-30 psi??!!

Well less just said that I refuse to follow the traditional Porsche mentality, the porsche word mentality is way to narrow for me, once you start looking outside the box you will find many answers.

Yes the car is a narrow body, the swing arms are the factory 911 ones, I just have rear coil overs.

In addition

Stock G-50 box
Stock Rods
Stock botttom end that it has never been open, original main bearings, oil pump etc.
Stock 930 Pistons
Stock Piston Rings

As you can see this cars are very well design, why people are afraid of pushing them is behond me.......

The link bellow has plenty of pictures

[David]

I like the idea of the push button boost control. I don't plan to drag race (maybe once or twice for fun) but it seems like it would be a good way to drop power when coming out of a slow, off boost turn during a DE or during hard acceleration in 1st gear on the street.

[ssetek]

Originally posted by juan ruiz
As you know I have a DTA EFI with launch control, this system will allow you to set your boost settings at any particular rpm range, but to do this you have to do it with the lap top, so I choose to operate it manually so I have an EBC so I can make changes on the fly with out a lap top, we just this week made some changes and the EBC has 2 settings "Low" Boost and "High" boost, we then installed a remote wire less switch that will allow you to switch it from the steering wheel without taking your eyes from the road/track, we set the low boost to 20 psi and the high boost to 30 psi, we then took her for spin and dial in the boost to be at a level were this will not spin the tires, on low boost even with the drag radials she will just rip them all the way, so we lowered to 16 psi low boost, the high boost depending on the occation either 28-30 psi, so on the street we roll on low boost 1 st and 2 gear then switch to high boost on 3 er and leave it like that, for the track I can have all 30 psi if I wanted out of the hole but we usually leave the line at 3580 rpm and 7 psi of boost which I control with the throddle, once out of the hole the same scenario low boost 1 and 2 then on 3 er 4 th and 5 high boost.

i like to use a speed vs boost tables alot for street cars,
or speed dependent boost, the faster the car goes the more boost you give it, like at 20 mph you get 200kpa of boost then at 50 mph get 250kpa of boost then at 80 mph you get 300kpa of boost and so on and set up your breakpoints to suit the car, and then have a scramble buton to run a single boost level at all times simalar to your profec controller

as far as launch control/anti lag you have yours setup as a 2 step with timing pulled to spool the turbo?

[WydRyd]

Originally posted by juan ruiz

How do you run 25-30 psi??!!

Well less just said that I refuse to follow the traditional Porsche mentality, the porsche word mentality is way to narrow for me, once you start looking outside the box you will find many answers.

Totally agree Juan. One thing I notice down here also is the typical Porsche workshop have no balls/kahonez to undertake projects where you have to actually *think* outside the square. They're all ultra-conservative fossils who shake in their boots at even the thought of turbo'ing a non-OEM turbo motor and when you mention anything above 1.0bar, they say "It cannot be done! Go elsewhere!"

[juan ruiz]

as far as launch control/anti lag you have yours setup as a 2 step with timing pulled to spool the turbo?


Yes ,

the way we set it up, we have the rpm range set up with the DTA in my case 3580 rpms I had it at 3980 rpm before , I have test her all the way to 5500 rpm, once the "launch Contol" is activated which can only be done with the car fully stoped, I will press the gas to control how much boost I want to build which is usually 7-8 psi, with the clutch fully in and the gas at the desired boost level, the light goes and I dump the clutch and at the same time fully press the gas, and then we go or we break an axle what ever comes first, but latelty is been the second one pretty damm good system if you ask me.

I could set it up as you do yours but I mess with this thing so much is more easy and practical for me to do all my R&D which I do alone must of the time.

I know you guys dint ask for, but I figure I explain how is mine working

[WydRyd]

Sounds like a pretty logical setup Juan

Low boost in 1st, medium boost in 2nd and then max boost in 3rd, 4th and 5th

Right now, even at *only* 1.0bar, I have trouble with wheel-spin in 2nd when the CAMs and boost kicks in