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Hey guys . Its been a while for regular visits for me(wife just had our 2nd baby boy). I need a few answers and hope some of you guys can help me out. I just bought a very very nice heavily optioned 1972 911t coupe with only 57k original miles and one owner (untill me of course) . Aside from a long crease that runs the length of the driver side the car is near perfect . This week I started taking it apart in preparation for the body shop . I noticed a few things that had me wondering if they were correct. Here`s my questions .

1 : What type of horn grills were used ? Were they steel or plastic ? Were they chrome or black ? Mine are plastic chrome

2 : What lense trim was used for the 72 cars ? Was the front turn signal and rear tailights trimmed with black or chrome ? Mine are chrome.

3 : Which style hood emblem was used ? Was it the orange bar ? Red bar ? Was it the totally flat style ? Or slightly curved ? Mine is red and flat .

Guys please only answer if you are sure . relize that what your 1972 is presently equipt which may have been changed as well .
These are parts are are frequently replaced and thats why its so hard to know whats original anymore . Thanks , guys


Kurt Williams

1. chrome horn grills. factory were metal, aftermarket can be plastic.

2. chrome trimmed lenses. Switched to black in 73

3. All early cars had the orange bar hood crests.

How is the turbo project coming along? I don't think I ever saw pictures of it completed.

Turbo project ? Well ..... Once the wife was 5 months pregnant I didnt put my spare time into it . I now have every part needed including a fuel safe fuel cell I just bought this week . You know how it is when you buy a new/different car . I started digging right in on this 72` instead of assembling the turbo project . You would think after spending $60k+ in parts that the car would be together right ? Well I have no real excuses in my defence. Either way the body shop will be finishing the 72` and I will start assembling the 69` turbo project over this winter.


Kurt Williams

The guys at the Early S Registry BBS should have the facts.

I have the most faith in the pelican members but may post questions there as well. thanks.

Kurt Williams

Congrats on the '72 and the new addition to the family! AFAIK, all of that stuff is original on my '72 and it all matches what Jamie wrote.

Checking my '72, jpnovak has it right-- his answers at least match what are on mine --which is pretty close to original. HTH

Yes jpnovak is correct.

Should have a aluminium engine grill also.

The black trim came in on the 73's.

Do you have the "S" pack on your car?

Wide rubber strips, gold lettering, and "S" callipers.

They should be silver if they are?

Show us some pics!

I concur...replacements could mean that the car has suffered front end damage in the past. OR, a previous owner wanted the newer look. My euro style lenses have black trim because I ordered them that way...I still have the silver trim USA lenses in boxes...my grilles are chrome metal, the orange bars hood crest. I'm sure they're original, since I bought the car in '74.

No. All the 2.4L cars came with a black engine grill. Here is a shot of a 60K original '72E (red car).

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/72_e_and_ig_70_s.jpg

Here is a '72S (Viper Green on left), next to a 70S (Conda Green) and another '70S (Irish Green).

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/gr...es_2_copy1.jpg

Yes, they went to black beginning with the '72 model years...but those black engine grills are made of aluminum, anodized black...

In 72, all horn grills (except through-the-grills) were chrome plastic.

I see we have some controversy here . Anyone else on those horn grills ?

Kurt Williams

I should also note that I had a set of oem porsche NOS plastic horn grills that were still in the original porsche bags . So porsche did make them in plastic too.
Paul whats on your car ?

Kurt Williams

Here`s a picture of the other 2 types of hood badges . The one that came on the car is one of them . Someone said the orange bar crest is the correct one. I always thought that 69` was the last year for orange . Notice in the picture there are 2 different reds . Which one do I use out of the 3 ?

Kurt Williams

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099786240.jpg

And another picture with different exposure time(more light).

Forgot to add the second picture. here it is.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099786392.jpg

And a solo shot of the one that came on the car.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099786436.jpg

Here is a few more questions .

Notice the knob to the right of the rear defroster switch . The screw nut is not chrome like the others. I believe this is for the fog lights right ? From what I know the crhome screw nuts(bezels) are standard with the S trim package which this car has. Is the black bezel correct ? Maybe fog lights (type 169) where installed by the dealer or previous owner ? Here`s the picture.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099786742.jpg

Also this switch has a black bezel . And what does this switch do ? It has a little green center light in the knob .

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099786828.jpg

Thanks for all the help guys

Kurt Williams

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The badge on the hood of your car looks exactly like the one on my T

Kurt, here is a photo of the badge on my original-paint '72 S. I don't think it has ever been off of the car. The badge is just a bit more orange in person; the flash made it a little redder. I would say that the badge you are holding on the left most closely resembles the one on my car. Good luck.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099845099.jpg

My 72 doesn't have anything under the trip odometer reset knob and I have a black plastic plug over the stereo between the defrost and lighter. The other bezels are chrome surronds, same as yours.

Could you do me a favor and take a picture of the front and rear seats? I want to get my retrimmed and I am curious how they are supposed to look. Does your seat have the same material as around your stereo? Do your front seats have piping? What about your rear seats?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Mike

Anyone else have any answers to my questions ? Whats that switch for ? Horn grill opinions ?

Mike I will shoot some pics for you soon.

Kurt Williams

My horn grilles are for the factory fogs...they are chromed metal...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099962290.jpg

Is that all you got for me Paul ? Your Mr 1972 around here . I was waiting for your imput .
Also thanks for everyone elses imput .

Kurt Williams

Kurt? What do you want? I have no digital camera here...all I've got are pics of my car that others have taken & I've downloaded...tell ya what. You send me a PM of pics you'd like, along with your snail mail address and I'll do the best I can with my 35mm point and shoot, send you the undeveloped film. Oh..you buy the film. Fair enuf??? FWIW, the fog lite switch looks european...here's the right side of my USA equipment dash:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1099971680.jpg

Which one of the hood badges i posted is correct ? As for pics . I can post the picture and you can tell me yes or no. I see on your dash the middle switch has the chrome nut and a different knob . Maybe mine is an earlier 72` than yours ? My vin is 9112101839 . Whats yours ? My fog light knob is the earlier style . I dought my car is a euro because I have the original bill of sale from manhatten NY .

Kurt Williams

The badge in the middle I believe is the correct one. It looks identical to one on my RS.

Middle badge looks like it could be a reproduction - hard to tell in the photo, but it's pretty obvious it hasn't been on a car for 32 years.The originals have the numbers 901 molded in the back. Repros are noticeably inferior in terms of quality and craftsmanship level. If that center one is original, it's the best damn one I've ever seen! You could name your price for that little gem.

The left badge actually looks most correct to me - the thicker lines on the "caterpillars" look right.

Right is definitely a later car badge.

Chris's badge pic looked good to me...tough to tell on your trio shot, because the left one is out of focus, but I'm leaning that way. I have no idea what the switch by the trip odo is for, and your "different" dash switch looks like it could be from a ROW (rest of world) car...only the USA models came with the rubber padded switches, if memory serves. Your Targa seems to be #839 of 989 produced. My coupe is #1556 of 1750. Hard to tell which was made earlier. Your door jam DOT sticker should give month of production. July of '72 for my car. (edit) My goof on the "targa" comment...I was misreading the VIN# you gave...