935 Pornography (Latest Gunnar Racing car)

[Fishcop]

Mouthwatering

http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/RATT/11-09-04/RATT-110904.htm

[rdane]

I'd trade my left...... ah never mind. Incredible car!

[Wil Ferch]

since we're talking this shop....

Can anyone explain the rationale for this? :
- they take a perfectly good 911 Martini Turbo ( silver car, either one or two in the world in existence today)....from the old Vasek Polak collection...and proceed to cut -'n-chop the car into an "earlier" non-turbo configuration that *this* car once was.

http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/Martini/mart-1108-1.htm

I can understand if the car was a basket case to begin with...or was in a fire or whatnot ( in this case you can choose a specific time-frame of that car's history to restore)...but to do this is almost criminal.... no? It was the *first* 911 Turbo and is (was) 100% complete in that latest Turbo configuration, as raced.

Wil

[Porschekid962]

Im guessing because that is what the owner wanted? Has more race history as an NA RSR than as a turbo, although being the first factory turbo RSR is a pretty awesome thing to have. It's not my car or my money plus Gunnar does some of the most amazing work.

[911teo]

I am with will. If you are after autenticity then that car should have remained a Turbo. You could have gotten any 911 tub and had it transformed it by Gunnar into an RSR.

[project935]

I agree with will and 911teo ... that conversion didn't make sense.

Exactly the reason why I think my project will go the Turbo RSR route someday.

[MichiganMat]

ohhhhhhhhhh!!!! Flat-fan-goodness with TWMs.

[304065]

they take a perfectly good 911 Martini Turbo ( silver car, either one or two in the world in existence today)....from the old Vasek Polak collection...and proceed to cut -'n-chop the car into an "earlier" non-turbo configuration that *this* car once was.

Hold it a minute. It's not as though Kevin Jeannette doesn't know a thing or two about period restoration. My guess is that the car was worth MUCH more restored to original RSR condition, as well as being more competitive in vintage racing than a Turbo 2.1.

And it's not like they threw all the parts away, right? They glued the new panels on with adhesive. They even left the Martini RSR stripes to prove that it was the converted car.

The owner gets to race it for a few years, and if he wants, he can have Gunnar switch it back. What's the big deal? It's only money, right?

[jluetjen]

Emotionally I agree with Porschekid962. On the other hand I could imagine the new owner being afraid to drive the car in that configuration because of the huge risk if he throws it off the track. In it's current configuration pretty much everything is replaceable if damaged.

But the first Turbo'd 911 Race car is really awesome.

[911teo]

My point is that if u want to race it why not get any 72 (or whatever historic racing correct year u need) tub and build a RSR on it? Get PAG to send you the parts etc. What's the point in dismantling a factory turbo to put together a RSR clone?

[Amac]

I'm with Will,911teo and project935, why would
you downgrade such rare race car.
The car looks great but without turbo power it's
like a hotdog without the weenie.
Wish I had my motor in that car!!!!

[jluetjen]

Incidentally, the Porsche web site used to have a fairly cool video of Derek Bell driving that car around a race track (Moroso I believe). He comments on the 500+ HP out of the 2.1 engine. I wish I knew where that video was published originally -- I'd love to get it. The shockwave file is too short.

BTW - I liked the idea of attaching the body parts with that adhesive. I've filed that away for future reference.

[304065]

Well, you have a good point there. I suppose you could build your own RSR and race it. I think guys were running RSR replicas at the Rennsport Reunion, although many original cars also ran.

This is one of FOUR original cars converted by the factory.

Here's the original ad: http://www.heritageclassics.com/porsche/74martinirsr/Page.html

Here is some history on RSR chassis R5:
http://www.qv500.com/porsche91124p7.htm

A link to a nice photo of one of the sister cars: http://www.pbase.com/shadow_catcher/image/28386312

Maybe I'll call Kevin and ask him.

[ValveFloat]

I'm confused. I think you guys are talking about two different projects.
The Ratt: http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/RAT/RAT-0630.htm
That became this: http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/RATT/11-09-04/RATT-110904.htm
And the RSR turbo: http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/Martini/mart-1108-1.htm
That apparently isn't finished: http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/Martini/MartiniRSR-1119.htm

[304065]

Joe, you are not confused, we ARE talking about two different projects.

[ValveFloat]

oops. I see that now.

And I agree that undoing the 2.1 turbo seems silly.

[Wrecked944]

The whole gunnar website is more p0rnographic than any of the XXX sites that routinely try to invade my browser. Unbelievable stuff. And I hope I'm not being utterly ignorant if I ask: Are horizontal fans better than vertical?

[Wil Ferch]

Two issues is probably my fault...sorry...coulda started a new thread.

Basically my point is this. Whether or not it is more or less suitable for vintage racing...you have ( as a starting point), a very historically significant car..."first of a series".....that is *not damaged* in a severe way. And simply "by choice"....you turn it into a previous version for no other reason than "you can"....and "you want to".

I thought the mantra was that every owner of this kind of car says "....I'm not really the owner of this car...I'm simply today's care-taker of a piece of history until the next "owner" comes along..."

Well then....some caretaker ! OTOH...if this car were really balled-up...the "restoration team" might have a choice of whether they wish to restore the car to the "last-as-raced" configuration, or some earlier incarnation.

Just my feeling that this wasn't the right thing to do....

Wil

[Chuck Moreland]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
ohhhhhhhhhh!!!! Flat-fan-goodness with TWMs.

those aren't TWMs. They are slide valves. I don't know who makes them.

[project935]

Originally posted by JanusCole
Are horizontal fans better than vertical?

They did provide more airflow - a more direct airflow - over the cylinders.
The 90-deg drive took more HP to operate though (~35HP).

Also allowed packaging of larger intercoolers under the bodywork - some were draw thru, some weren't.