9.5's will definitely fit in the back of a car with RS/SC/Carrera flares. (I used to run 10's under SC flares). Big brakes are another issue (I had 930 calipers in the back with shaved fins). The whole project is just a matter of getting the backspacing where it needs to be.

Moses, If you don't like the look of the 3 piece(bolts are a PIA to clean) why not look at some Fikse 8 & 10, black ctr. 5 spokes, Mike(89911) or his brother have them and they look great. The Kinesis like I have are also great but like I said the bolt heads are an annoyance.

There is a ton of brake clearance for either the Fikse or Kinesis.

Bill Verburg, why will the Fikse 5 spokes (10") fit in the back of Moses' as per your recent post and the 9.5" Lindsey won't? I'm in the same situation as Moses and wanted the Lindsey rims (mostly for Fuch's style) and am getting very confused at all the conflicting posts regarding what will fit and what won't. Will 9.5" Lindsey's fit in the rear with RS/SC flares with normal european ride height, rolled fenders, no oil lines and no excessive negative camber? Please help!!! Mike P.

Yes, the Lindseys will fit. They will require exactly 1/2 inch less effort than a 10-inch wheel.

I never said the Lindseys wouldn't fit. I only said that my Kinesis 9.5x17 fit and that Skinnerd has provided the #S for his Fikse 10" that fit.

My other comments were about brake clearance, Fikse and Kinesis have it , Linsey's don't.

My car w/ 8 & 9.5x17 Kinesis, powder painted ctrs, 235/45 & 275/40 tires
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Bill, I was replying to mpeastend's post that there was conflicting information on whether the Lindseys will fit.

It's true that the aftermarket wheels can accomodate the brake calipers more easily.

I know Jack, I was responding to mpeastend

Jack, I think Bill's comment was directed at me.

Bill V, sorry to have put words in your mouth, I was going through the posts and I think (I apologize if I'm wrong) your point is that 9.5" and larger may require some work, i.e. bolt shaving, spacers, etc. to fit properly. When I came across your post to Moses to try Fikse 8&10x17 if he didn't like the 3 pc rims, I became confused. From your previous posts I know that your Kinesis 9.5" rims required alot of work to make fit both inboard and at fender lip with less than 1/4" clearance on either side. So when you recommended 10" Fikses the breakers in my brain popped. But after careful review, I think I have it figured out. Your clearance issues are more related to the monster tire you're running in the back not the rim, right? So, Moses and I could order the 9.5" rims (assuming the use of 255 tires) with maybe an additional 4mm positive offset as a safety factor and can use spacers to move the wheel outboard an 1/8" to put the tire where it should be and gain clearance for the brakes in the process. After all that, you may still have clearance problems with the oil lines and need to space it out further or move oil lines. And, are the people who fit 9.5 & 10" rims with no problems the lucky ones who got one extreme of the bell curve in the variations from car to car when made at the factory? If I still don't have this right I'm gonna have to go back to school. Have I got it now Bill or do I need more research? Thanks Mike P

We're trapped in a politeness spiral. ;)

I fit 9-inch Lindseys and 10-inch Lindseys on my car. With the 10s, we machined the spring plate bolt head and moved the oil line slightly. Neither of these is a major operation.

On the other hand, when I totaled my car at Laguna Seca, my only way to get the car back to LA was to put it on a friend's trailer and drive his car. Since he only had Hoosiers, we swapped out my 8x10x17 wheels onto his SC. He'd probably already rolled his fenders, but the wheels bolted on and made a 500-mile drive without any problem.

Up to 1/4 inch spacers might be required for big brakes to fit with the Lindsey Fuchs-centered wheels. This isn't the case with most aftermarket wheels.

Machining of the spring plate bolt, rolling the fender lip, and moving the oil line over probably wouldn't be necessary with up to 9.5-inch wheels and 255 tires, but would be needed with 275 tires and 10-inch wheels.

If you're running 0 degrees camber, then you'll want to add some even if you're not changing wheels and tires.

Thanks Jack, I'll try to be rude next time ;) I just don't want to piss off Bill V, he's too valuable. Mike P

It's a combination of wheel width and tire width.



Just because I am most familiar w/ my car here are the rear #s
nominal wheel width(bead width) 9.5"
actual wheel width(face to face) 10"
o/s +19mm
tire section width(275/40) 11"
clearance at trailing arm bolts after shaving them ~.25"
clearance at the oil line after relocation ~.25"
clearance at the lips(static)after shaving 0"
clearance at the lips(dynamic - estimated) ~.25"

The same wheel width w/ a smaller 265/40 or 265/35 tire would have far fewer fitment issues, a 255/40 would be even easier to fit. But for 255/40 you might as well stick w/ a +15mm 9" wheel.

I avoided the 10" Fikse because I don't like spacers and they present a slightly more diffficult fitment even w/ the same tire. I have seen several cars w/ the 10" that have different spacers l/r for that reason.

To avoid fitment issues I would use a +15mm 9" wheel w/ a 255/40 tire

Bill, as always, thanks for your detailed and informative reply. I would LOVE to use a 9" wheel w/ +15mm O/S and have wrestled with all the options and settled on the Lindsey P2 (mostly for style/appearance). I think that Moses chose them for the OEM Fuchs look as well (the multi-piece models with the bolts just don't appeal to me). I am waiting to hear back from Dave Lindsey, but I'm sure he'll tell me the same thing as Moses that 9" barrels aren't available anymore (how can that be?!!! it's a popular size and this isn't Cuba with an embargo, just make more of them!!!!) Anyway, I'm going to order them with the same specs as Joseph Herreros' and deal with the consequences. Bill, these 9.5" rims need a +19mm O/S like yours right? Or something closer to +15mm because of the 255 tire? If you're not sure or unwilling to hazard a guess, I'll go with Dave Lindsey's recommendations. Thanks Mike P

16x9.5" custom offset on 245/45. No mods required.

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What are the #s for those wheels?

Yes

As I described above the +19mm o/s places an 11" tire almost perfectly in the wheel well w/ ~.25" clearance on my car, 6mm either way w/ an 11" tire will cause interference somewhere. A 255/40 is ~10.4" wide &#177 which gives you ~.3" extra clearance /side

Oh, as always I would listen to the wheel manufacturer, he knows his wheels. Then make a decision.

Thanks Bill V, my debt of gratitude to you continues to go deeper into the red. When I said I would use Joseph Herreros' specs, I meant that I would ask Dave Lindsey to build me a set with the same offset as his. If Dave doesn't keep those kind of records, the only starting point I have will be your +19mm offset. I will confer with him now that I have all your measurements and will go from there. I will post the results for Moses and everyone else's info. When I get the wheels, you can be sure I'll take careful measurements for your database. Mike P.