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cab headliner repalcement

I am putting in my new fabric top and headliner on my 87 Cab. I am installing the headliner onto the frame as it was when I removed it. Should the headliner be glued to the canvas top itself or just to the frame? I was not sure if the last headliner that was installed was done correctly.
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Hi Eric,
I'm not sure if this helps, but I am replacing my top as well. My head liner was not glued to the top canvas. Also, did you have to drill out the rivets to remove the rain gutters?. Andy
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Thanks. Yes I had to drill out the rivets to get the gutters off. So you have to either buy or borrow a rivet gun. I had a few other uses for mine so it was worth it.

I wish I knew of a place that had replacement screws and such that were not expensive. I am just cleaning the ones I removed and then painting them black. Today I am going to begin glueing the top back on!

I am gluing the back of the main top on first. Then I can attach the tack strip to the window bonnet and then attach the tack strip to the rear frame where the main top is glued on. From there I think it appears to be straight forward. It is just the first piece that I am glueing that is the most nerve racking.

I have some pictures of when I removed the top to give me guidance but of course the pictures that I really wanted were of that tack strip and I did not have any real good ones of that.

I have reaplaced all of the gaskets abound the top and doors and the pillar molding as well. I also applied dynamat to the interior when I repalced the carpeting. The weather is chaning here so I want to get the car back on the road.

I read many of the tips on this forum. One that I will use is to put the top up about 10% when I glue the front of the top down. That way the wrinkles should strighten out with the top completely down.

With all the convertibles that are sold I find it amazing that you can find instructions of building nuclear bombs but cannot find instructions on replacing the top. I think it is a conspiracy. The top I bought from the convertible guys did have some rudementary instructions so that was better that nothing.
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Its been a number of years since I replaced the one on my 88, but I am sure that the process did NOT involve removing any rivets.
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Oh... And the headliner is NOT glued to the top.
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There ARE rivets that need to be drilled out above the side windows. They hold the bracket on that covers a flap from the top that laps around the frame near the front. The bracket holds the inner and outer lateral seals above the windows.
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I don't doubt you, mrdol. Its been so long that I don't recall the details of the job. But I did the job in a simple garage under the supervision of an experienced specialist. I was completed in a hour or two and without removing or installing any rivets. A screwdriver for screws on the top, adhesive and tape. Maybe mine was different, or maybe there is simply an alternate method...
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Aahh. You were only referencing replacing the headliner. Andy and I are replacing the whole top and headliner. The gutters don't need to be removed for the headliner but do for the top itself.
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Oops! My bad! I thought you guys were just doing the headliner! Darn reading fundamentals! :-)
Good luck with those rivets! lol
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I have been looking very hard for information on how to replace the top for quite a while now, and most of the answer I got back was not to bother and take it to a shop. I finally came across a used top in very good condition and decided to venture this job myself. The job itself is not that hard (so far). The mistake I made was that I removed the rear window first instead of removing the front top first due to lack of instructions. So far it has been removing a lot of screws and trims and pulling the top off the glue.

MRDOL: I notice there are a lot of thick black rubber goop that was found along the sides of the top. Do you have them too?. What are they called?. Also, which type of glue are you using (3M super adhesive trim)?. I am changing the vinyl materials that covers the trims pieces to black leather that I bought on ebay. I have also ordered the new traps that you see underneath the headliner.

I think, so far, taking all the top materials off is very easy and not as hard as some of the folks may have you believed. The hardest part for me was the clean up the old glue and the thick, black, rubber goop on the sides of the top. Who knows, I am only half way through and it may get harder at the top install?. So for those of you who have been putting off replacing the top yourself, if I can do it, there is no doubt that you can as well.

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Here is a pic I took of the bracket with the rubber goop.

I am using 3m glue and also glue called plyobond that I found in an Ace hardware Store. Getting someing to work on canvas limits our choices.

I have lots of pics that I can share. The black goo might just be for a waterproof seal. Today I really think I am going glue the top on. I made a test attachment of the window bonnet to the tack strip to the rear frame and was way short. I will redo the holes again and try it again. I made sure that I moved the window piece up as far as I could. Then to tighten it there are two adjustable rods on the side that attach into the pillar frame. When the adjustment is made it should push the window frame back and tighten the window.

Eric = mrdol

What are you doing today to the top?
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Hi Eric,
Man, that bracket looks clean. mine has a ton of goops on it. I went to HBL Porsche dealer in VA and they have not gotten my straps and other plastics in yet, so I may have to wait a little while longer. The plastics did not cost as much as I expected. Perhaps this is where the difficult part comes in. My top trial fitted perfectly because it is a used top that came from another cab. I can imagine how hard it would be to fit a brand new top without any screw holes to align or any points of reference. But after all is done, you'll be very proud of yourself for having taken the challenge. So, this weekend I'll do a little leather recovering on the trim panels and will also drop an SC engine for my RS project. Eric, where did you buy the waterproofing goops?. I see you are from Del. I am currently at Johns Hopkins Medical Campus and not very far from Del. at all. If you need an extra pair of hands to fit the top, Eric, please let me know. Andy
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I think that you should post your pics and detail the headliner and canvas top installation. I know that popular opinion is to take it to a shop, but I for one would like to see what exactly is involved. I'm curious to see what is involved and how difficult or easy it is to complete.

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Sure would appreciate somebody documenting how to change the top on a cab? I am pretty sure I've seen other posts about what to do and look out for - be sure to do an exhaustive search - sometimes they are not that easy to find. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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I am not sure if my top is original or was replaced once before. I was told it was original. Can anyone comment on the correctness of the below two items. One is the screw that goes through the top that holds the tensioner cable in place to the frame. Mine as you can see has the screw through the canvas top. Other pictures I have seen of other cars do not have the screw visible so it would be screwed from beneath the top.

The other is the placement of the semi-circle plastic cap that is bolted to the frame to hold the other end of the cable in place. Does this also look correct?


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Both those pictures look like from a factory top and seem correct to me from those pictures.
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As far as a early manual top, there is no screw showing above the side windows shown in the first pic. Maybe someone with the later power top can chime in concerning that screw. The second pic of the plastic semi-circle is correct and in the right place.
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I bought some great material from a fabric store for $13, cut it to fit and glued it inside of the frame. It works exceptionally well and is much more rugged than any over the counter headliner.
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I have the screw and plastic cap on my power top.
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Yup,
I have a screw and plastic cap on my power top as well. My screw went through the top frame and has a nut on the other side of the frame.
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