250mph 911

[tshih]

9ff v400 model 911 turbo achieved 241 mph beating McLaren F1 road legal car's claim to fastest road legal car. They are shooting for 250 mph!! And the price will be much less than $1M

[adomakin]

last months EVO had a big write up on it. they went to the day. scary speeds!

Andy

[randywebb]

Like the 959, the F-1's level of technical advantage can't last forever... interesting article.

[emcon5]

HOLY COW!!!!!!! 9ff Porsche takes the cheese!!
here ya have it the 9ff 911 at NARDO at speed!!! FAsT!!!!!!!

[livi]

It just happen that I live 1 mile from where they build the Koenigsegg sportscars in the south of Sweden. It is at an old Swedish Air Force base with plenty of paved streches. I pass it every day on my way to work, slowing down, opening up the windows in my Carrera. Have seen and HEARD the cars passing by several times.

Actually quite amazing living in this small country known for their Volvo and Saab production and still have just 5 minutes ride to the place they build the fastest production car in the world (just broken the record at Nardo, Italy from the F1 MacLaren) !!

Markus
Carrera 85

[82SC]

but I still think the F1 did it with a bit more "class"

that car is well thought out and put to gether and everything works...the fact that it went 240 was integrated into its design...

this 9ff is an awesome beast...but have you seen the mods they had to do to it? duct tape, etc... I bet I can get a camaro and put a jet engine on it and make it do 250....250 in a car that was not designed to go 250....scary

[tshih]

82SC,

Trying to win this year's Darwin Award with the Camaro idea?

It just proves that the 911 is a very versatile design and is the ultimate developed car until the next record attempt.

[tshih]

The remarkable thing is that anyone can modify any car to do anything. However the impressive thing about this 9ff is that it is still recognizable as a 911 with the only difference of a weird long extended spoiler for stability. Overall it says that the 911 basic shape was stable enough to hit those lofty limits. So as far as classy results go it is even classier than a F1 which was designed from the beginning after Murray had 30 plus years of F1 experience. It says Ferry Porsche's in house design was light years away at its conception.

[randywebb]

Maybe. Or maybe it says that todays technology can take a several years old design and push it to a higher speed than one that is 20+ years old. Could be either, right?

[Porschekid962]

Being a lover of Porsche's and the McLaren either feat is quite an accomplishment. The main difference being age, technology and a couple modifications on the 911(sarcasm there). This comparison is rather poor as we are comparing two totally different cars, one bone stock and the other modded to the hilt. By todays terms the McLaren would be just another supercar, nothing special just the norm, composite construction, crazy motor, neat innovations thats par for the course now.

Just for fun, start with a McLaren F1 GT, the longtail version. Place the LM motor in it and try that for top speed. Dont hit 250 that way, send the heads off to del west and get a set of pneumatic valvetrain heads made up, straight pipes, racier cams, new mapping, higher CR pistons and see where you end up.

Congrats to the 9ff crew on their record but forever will the F1 remain the ultimate car in my mind.

[82SC]

i think with almost any sports car chassis you can get a car to go 250 with enough money and enough mods...the 9ff car has nothing in mind but top speed...the F1 was designed to handle, go fast, stop fast, and look good...

the 9ff is the "rice rocket" of the 911 world...I think it is a really bad comparison...

yes my caramo expamle is a bit stupid...but I'm just saying...

and reading the excellence article...the 9ff crew had to do a ton of track side mods to squeeze out the top speed...the McL F1 did it by getting in the car and turning the key...

and tshih...Ferry's 911 design has almost nothing in common with the 996 or 997 chassis...or the 993, or the 964 or the SC or etc...
to say Ferry's in house design had ANYTHING to do with producing a chassis that was ready fro 250 sounds pretty silly

again...I am proud to know that a porsche derived chassis does hold the record...but can't compare a riced 911 and the McL F1

MJ

[masraum]

Originally posted by livi
It just happen that I live 1 mile from where they build the Koenigsegg sportscars in the south of Sweden. It is at an old Swedish Air Force base with plenty of paved streches. I pass it every day on my way to work, slowing down, opening up the windows in my Carrera. Have seen and HEARD the cars passing by several times.


Markus
Carrera 85

The Koenigsegg is one hot car. It makes my blood burn. I watch the video from "Top Gear" from time to time. Man that thing looks like an enormously good time.

When I were 15 years old I could easily be impressed by top speed claims. Today...well who cares as long as it's 300 km/h or above?

I say build a car that kicks ass at the Nordschleife. That's a harder job. But of course it's great that there are crazy people doing this, including the guys in Sweden You are so ahead of us danes when it comes to cars.

[masraum]

I kind of like the tail on the 9ff car. It's different, as long as it's functional. It's a pretty impressive feat regardless, but it can't really compare to the Mclaren

[tshih]

When it comes to top speed over 200 mph, the only serious mods needed are aerodynamic ones since air resistance increases with the square of velocity. More horsepower will not work if you're working with a blocky shape like a truck (like more than 1000 depending how much is lost to fighting drag and AR. The 9ff has a shape capable of attaining 250 with about 800 HP and looks like a 911 (996) an evolutionary shape. The F1 is also an evolutionary shape of a racecar for the street.

If all it takes is a reasonably powerful engine that one can build a lot of for reasonable cost (as in this case $100K turbo F6 motor versus the BMW V12 in the F1 which probably costs $250K), some duct tape to help reduce drag, and a long tail spoiler for stability and safety to achieve 250mph then that design (911 chassis) is still the king.

Compare for instance the new Saleen S7 twin turbo (1000+HP), will it go 250 mph? I doubt it. Italian exotics have in the past always boasts of more than 200 mph top speeds but have only recently been able to really attain that with the Enzo at 211. There are aeorodynamic issues with these designs (countach, F40, etc) which failed to allow speeds over 200mph. The Ruf yellow bird was capable of 211 in 1987!!!

Imagine icreasing the displacement of the C-GT's V10 and horsepower increases to 850HP, will that car then be able to achieve 250mph, I'm willing to bet it probably is possible with minimum body mods. My point is Porsche always design their cars with a chassis that is faster than the engine it puts in their cars. Quite the opposite of other manufacturers like the domestic muscle car mentality (90% engine and not much chassis) which are dangerous outside of a drag strip.

[tshih]

Porschekid962,

Your suggested mods for the F1 will not raise the top speed. Bet you didn't know that the LeMans winning F1 were slower than the street versions (MaClaren was detuning their motors for rules reasons or fuel efficiency/torque etc.). The chicane in the Mulsanne straights lowered the need for top speed in winning the race. Cars in the days before the chicane were 240mph in the sixties when Ford GT40 were running at their top speed.

[jpahemi]

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but is the 9ff car from a Swedish or German tuning house?
Regards,
J.P.

[82SC]

tshih

I like your last post and I can see your point of view...

I guess I am just not that impressed (albeit a engineering feat)...I am more impressed when someone posts that a car beat the nurbergring record by 3 sec...

240 is fast...and to take a production car chassis and make it do that does deserve some applause...

I did read somewhere that no one was willing to drive the car though...and the owner of 9ff took on the driving duties...crazy

MJ

[tshih]

I believe the team is German and I also think they have other iterations of their 911 Turbo which comes close to setting the Nurburgring lap record as well. I don't think this pioneering group is interested in making an all around superior supercar based on the 911 turbo formula since like the article said, the mods are all for making top speed and not too concerned about corners. They are just pushing the envelope for one parameter (aerodynamics and drag coefficients) of top speed contender. The Ruf products are more all around developed supercars.

When you are about to travel at more than a footballfield length each split second, you'd worry about what might get in the way. Even a light cat happening to cross your path will cause you to be startled and lose control of the car's trajectory. Tornadoes have been known to stuff straw into tree trunks (250 mph wind force). It's a very brave man to be the driver.

[tshih]

82SC,

I think the F1 is decent looking but the top air scoop is ugly and blocks rear view vision. If it had been made of clear plastic and is invisible (see thru) that would be better.