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Info about this 1970 ST

I have found this car....near my house. The owner says is a 1970 911 ST with a matching 2.4 engine. The car arrived here in 1971 (an Island)
The body has never been modified so it canīt be an amateur repro. In the papers said "ST" but donīt seems to be a competition unit because has all the interior stuff. The car has been stored since about 1995 (has a minor mechanical problem...the owner said) and was owner by him since 1984-85...only 2 owners!. He is trying to find more info about the car...(to sell the car more expensive I think).
Have you ever seen one like this?
What will be the price for a good 1970 ST?
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Old 04-15-2005, 08:14 AM
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Without a VIN it's hard to give a good answer.
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Old 04-15-2005, 08:26 AM
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What makes you think the body has never been modified?

The ST was a very limited light weight race model and had a slide valve 2.5 i believe. The chrome bumpers on the rear makes me think it was a conversion. I dont belive that the factory ever made one for the street since it was a 911 and they didnt need to homologate it. It probably wouldnt not even have a VIN number as factory race cars were never registered. You should post some pictures of the interior, that would tell alot. Not that this car isnt worth having, but a real ST would be worth 6 figures.

Others here are much more knowlegable about this than me, and will chime in.

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As far as I understand it, a lot (all?) of the ST's were officially listed as S's. ST was not actually an official model like the RS was. As such, there were Rally ST's (which often had S engines in them) and Race ST's (which had "2.3" or one of the "2.5" liter race engines), and sometimes cars were converted from one to the other such as the Brumos Racing ST which started life as a Rally model and then was converted to race trim. There's also an ST near me which also started life as a Rally car (complete with a horn button for the co-driver in the footwell) which now has a full-race engine in it.

1) Get the VIN, that will give some clues since many of the ST's were built from a close series of numbers.
2) More and better pictures. Subtle things like the profile of the front and rear fenders will help in regards to the body configuration.
3) Get the engine model and serial number. Pictures would help too. One thing that is questionable is a 1970 model car with a "matching" 2.4 engine since the 2.4's were built from '72-'73. It might be one of the "2.3" engines which are basically race prep'd 2.2S engines with a 1 mm overbore.

It sounds exciting.
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I don't if it's a real ST but that hood w/ the lights is pretty cool.
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You have a few inaccuracies in your statements. ST's , just like all Porsches that left the production or werkes 2 as complete cars, have vehicle i.d. numbers. I have the list - i know. 1970 ST's were first available in 2247 cc, then in '71 2381 (2.4), and finally in '72; 2.5- but only 7) ST 2.5's were factory built according to the records. (I am sure that some of the 2.4 cars ended up with 2.5's as competition grew) As the car shown is a wide body, it is likely that someone had installed the later flares and later on, possibly a interior for street use. Only the serial # will say for sure. Willing to share? i can check it against the records i have
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If those front flares are metal, that would be a good clue, wouldn't it?
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Here's some recent pricing from a fellow in Ireland:

"Just back from Techno Classica in Essen - biggest classic car show in Europe with some very nice and expensive cars. Try euro 440,000 for a 75 Porsche RSR, 295,000 for a 71ST, 38,000 for a 73E etc!"
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I think the Front flares are metal...I said the body has never been modified because the car arrived here in 1971 as you can see (this is what the owner says)...and here nobody knows about this cars(less in 1971!) and had only 2 owners....Iīll ask him about the serial numbers...
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I'm going to guess it probably is a factory race car/factory privateer car of some kind. Metal fender flares up front and that funky hood? I'd buy it.
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neato.
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rear wiper too. this is an oddball car, and I can't wait to hear more.
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From a lifelong car flipper...don't ask the owner TOO many questions about it, or he will figure out what he has. Just get us that VIN number and engine number and we can tell you all you need to know.

I get the feeling this car is very special and worth bucks. How did it end up in the Canary Islands? Any racetracks there? I just LOVE barn finds!

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Rust, from the salt air on the Isle must be a problem. If you're considering buying it, check carefully. On the plus side, if it's been on the island since 1971, it's gotta be low mileage.....Enjoy
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If you decide it's just too rusty, I'm sure someone else would be happy to be second in line!
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Can't wait to hear more on this. Looks promising.
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Hi all again,
Iīm still waiting a response about the VIN number.
I think the owner knows about the rarity of this car (this is the worse of the Internet ;P) and he is collecting info to check if his car is a really ST (or a factory privateer car) to ask much money for it.
He told me this car belonged to an architect..(the one who bring it to Tenerife in 1971).
There is a long tradition here about racetracks( From the midīs 60 to the 90īs ). A lot of nice cars has been "living" here....like a little Montecarlo.
Send you a pic of my fatherīs 911 in a racetrack here in Tenerife. (1971). He looks shocked...he,he.
No, the car is not alive. a few years later was involved in an accident. We still got a headlight at home. Iīm going to use it in my "still rusty" 911. a little tribute to this nice 911!!
Sergio.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Thomas
The ST was a very limited light weight race model and had a slide valve 2.5 i believe.
The 2.5 was only '72, AFAIK, as Dave from TRE mentions above, and all the 2.5 engines were hi-butterfly MFI, weren't they? The slide valve MFI started with the 3.0 RSR in '73-74, didn't it?

We definitely need more pictures and details, this is an interesting car even from what little is offered here.

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