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build a killer, reliable 3 liter. are you not worried about the smog issue?
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3.2 = great bang for the buck
3.6 = eye popping acceleration I went for the latter -- $$$$$
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jamie-broken shift key? i dont understand...
vash-i will have to figure out smog, however i have to now anyways, so either way it'll have to be sorted out. as for my 3.0, i kind of thought that since it had >250,000 it was towards the end of its life, i dont have any kind of history on it thanks to the PO, couldnt tell you if its been rebuilt or anything money is an issue, somewhat, and i can swing a 3.2, but a 3.6 would be a few months off and thats what i meant when asking about performance difference, is the 3.6 worth the extra money, i know its a personal opinion, but thats what i want to know too, people opinions.
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let me know if you ever sell the 3. i got a 75 car that would love the upgrade.
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Someone once said, "it doesn't have to be cheap". Sadly none of the really good engine swap options are cheap. Even a simple valve job isn't cheap by any means. My car now has a '95 3.6 for a reason. If you factored in the costs I should still be running a 3.0. Last edited by rdane; 05-09-2005 at 06:39 PM.. |
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.....& that reason is out-and-out acceleration.
They are phenomenal. My 2405 lb car is hellaciously quick - and Dane's will be even quicker due to the 'Dane Lightweight Diet'. No sub for cubic inches properly applied Lighter weight = effectively more ponies
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Come on now, I did mine for fuel economy
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Dane I thought you were anti 3.6, I guess you seen the light, Kevin
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Kevin last time you were giving me a hard time on the 3.6 I had been driving one for months.
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"Dane I thought you were anti 3.6"
Honestly, most of Pelican is thinking that too 
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At the ridiculious prices quoted in the NW by commercial shops for 3.6 transplants, I am easy to peg as anti 3.6.
But then I am anti $5K for a valve jobs as well. Maybe I am really just anti Porsche. Last edited by rdane; 05-09-2005 at 07:56 PM.. |
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Sub to put things in perspective Craig's car has a better power to weight ratio (310/2405) than any model in Porsche's current line up apart from the GT2 (last I checked $190,000) and the CGT (I never checked its price)... |
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well since it was brought up, i have looked into rebuilding, and building up my 3.0, seems like i can get some good power out of it without selling the house, so i'll look more into this. only problem i see is that since my 3.0 has >250,000k on the odometer, what kind of effect will it have on this process? is it just delaying a tired engines death or can it be brought back to life without replacing every part?
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and by the way, yes i would love to have a ton of power, but little jumps is fine with me, i first had the 2.0 914 and that was fun, then the current 911 3.0. the power jump was a lot of fun, and not at a huge price. bumping to a modded 3.0 or 3.2 would be fine for now, i'm sure (especially browsing this board) that i will want more down the road, but this is my first enterprise into serious engine work, so i dont want to risk screwing up a lot of money
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Actualy dane it was over a year ago, And No Im not giving you a hard time, it was more like you were giving me a hard time, Kevin
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Engines? Mileage on an SC is no big deal you can rebuilt them to like new. I did it on a 190K mile engine. There is no chip in a 3.0 SC engine. Now way to really make a distinctive bump in power in an CIS car other than than add SSIs until you add displacement. Dispalcement costs money. Nothing wrong with a new SC engine or a rebuilt one at 3.2 or 3.4. But you can do a lot better than a rebuilt 3.0 money wise with a 3.2 transplant or for serious additional amounts of money a 3.6 transplant. The 3.6 adds a ton of stuff that should be done..brakes and oil cooling come to mind right off. The 3.2 can be chipped, mass air flow and a early exhaust added and have a very strong engine. it will push a early 3.6. For what it costs to rebuild/build most of these engines or do a hot rod transplant you can buy Craig's ride (hot rod 3.6 varioram) for $20K more after selling your car for $10. I don't plan on selling my car so the money isn't an issue but when you step back from these cars a bit anything past a cheap valve job makes no sense on any monetary level. Last edited by rdane; 05-09-2005 at 09:13 PM.. |
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Why not take the 3.0, put in bored cylinders, JE pistons, bearings, reground cams, a Steve Wong chip, wevo engine mounts and call it a day? This would increase power noticably for not too much money. Are you inclined to rebuild the engine yourself, with the help of Waynes book? Even if you don't and have a shop do it, the price should be around $8,000 to $9,000 [this includes NEW exhaust valves, rockers, etc.].
I did a whole bunch of research on building/rebuilding my 3.2 and there are ways of saving some money, even if you don't do the work. There is a good shop down here who won't poke you on the price to do it. Drums
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no matter what, if i go with my 3.0, it will have to be rebuilt, 250,000 is too much without knowing if it ever has been rebuilt
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Rdane its cool, and i wasnt really pockin fun, We need to all just enjoy the cars, thats what its really all about
Biosurfer1 they will be able to check the crank and parts and block, but truthfully, this is only my opinion and opinins are like azz holes everyone has one, Th biggest reason why I took out a 3.0 that ran ok was with the 930 body mods its looks was all it had, then I realized that the cis injection was a pain (in my opinion) with rubber hoses and moveable plates etc, the 3.0 updated to a 3.2 with the 3.2 injection ( i see them for sale all the time) would make a great motor, I was just stating find someone with a 3.6 and take a ride, it may not be what you want, Kevin |
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