Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 5.00 average.
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 667
Disappointed in Turbo Tie Rods

My tie rods were not old but one of them could not be adjusted when we aligned the front end. SInce I had to replace anyway, I decided to go with the turbo tie rods. I can't even tell there is a difference in steering with the turbo's on. My front end though can now be aligned. I guess that, where people have found a big difference is when their tie rods are worn with a lot of play in them. My old ones did not have much play.
This is an upgrade only if your current tie rods are worn out. IMHO.
Old 11-03-2005, 12:50 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Friend of Warren
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Jefferson City, MO
Posts: 15,522
Let me be the third voice in the wilderness. If your regular tie rods are good you really don't need to be spending money on the turbos.
__________________
Kurt
2003 Boxster S, 1991 BMW 318is
'93 Ducati 900SS, '76 BMW R75/6, '73 350 Honda Scrambler, 2003 SV650 Track bike

Gone, but not forgotten: '86 Carrera, '72 911E, 2001 Boxster
Old 11-03-2005, 12:56 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Orchard Park, NY
Posts: 10,522
Ahh.... yep .... but .....

Even if your original tie-rods with the rubber ends are in good shape...a "sensitive" driver will notice that ever-so-small improvement in the initial "turn-in"....

but agreed...it's pretty small if the OEM stuff is in good shape.....

- Wil
__________________
Wil Ferch
85 Carrera ( gone, but not forgotten )

Last edited by Wil Ferch; 11-04-2005 at 08:30 AM..
Old 11-03-2005, 01:19 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 546
Often the changes are cummulative. A tie rod change is usually accompanied by bushings and shocks etc AND an alignment. I think when we run original untouched 20year+ running gear it's all out a long way from spec.

After your alignment you will notice the difference. But probably not significantly so if you swaped to new stock tie rods with the associated changes......

Simon
__________________
85' Carrera 3.2
02' Mazda MX5
Old 11-03-2005, 01:26 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Original Owner
 
tsuter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,640
Turbo tie rods when your originals are not shot is a "feel good' update.....and CHEAP!

Gives the novice DIYer a real nice "feel good" and gets them ready for valve adjustments and more!!!

As for seat of the pants improvement....its a myth...... except for the smallest percent of drivers.
__________________
tsuter
78 911SC Turbo Targa
Thaaaats Right!!
Old 11-03-2005, 01:27 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
FrayAdjacent911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 2,271
Send a message via AIM to FrayAdjacent911
Well, if your stock tie rods were in pretty good shape (solid, even though you couldn't adjust one side), then the turbo rods might not make much of a change.

They won't fix what's not already broken.
__________________
Matt J.

69 911T Targa - "Stinky"
2001 Boxster "Stahlgewehr"
Old 11-03-2005, 01:38 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 667
Novice?
Just kidding.
I am taking it to Carolina Motorsports track Friday a week and see if there is a noticeable difference.
Old 11-03-2005, 01:49 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
arerrac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Morgan Hill, Ca
Posts: 377
I also believe the tire sidewall has something to do with it. Turbo tie-rods on a car w/45 series tires will feel different than a car w/60 series tires.

-W
__________________
"88 Commemorative Edition Carrera
Old 11-03-2005, 03:22 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
greglepore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: SE Pa USA
Posts: 3,173
Agree with all of the above. Absent other suspension changes, very minor. But throw in short sidewalls, particularly very stiff ones, stiffer t bars, free bushings, and stiffer shocks and there ya go.
__________________
Greg Lepore
85 Targa
05 Ducati 749s (wrecked, stupidly)
2000 K1200rs (gone, due to above)
Old 11-03-2005, 04:05 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
PRO Motorsports
 
Tyson Schmidt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Burbank, CA
Posts: 4,363
They're still a benefit even if you can't "feel" it. They eliminate toe-change from the flex of the rubber bushings, because the Turbo versions have no rubber bushings.

You can run less static toe-in with Turbo tie-rods versus stock, because road forces will not cause them to toe-out while driving.
__________________
R-Gruppe member #382

'69 911E coupe' 2.7E MFI (retired 911-Spec racer)
'72 911T Targa
2004 GT3
Old 11-03-2005, 05:55 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Capital Region, NY
Posts: 683
Curious thread. Took as gospel the need for turbo install after so many years. Have an 87 coupe (74 K) that does need shocks which will be replaced with Bilstein sports. Was going to do both installs at the same time but will see after damper install. Have factory recommended rubber sizes.
Old 11-03-2005, 06:47 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Bandwidth AbUser
 
Jim Richards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: SoCal
Posts: 28,226
I felt no difference, too, but Tyson's come up with an evil enough justification to install them.
__________________
Jim R.
Old 11-03-2005, 07:01 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 3,228
For street driving I wouldn't bother with them but for the track they make a noticable difference. If you just turn the wheel back and forth 10 degrees with the car parked you can really feel the difference. No rubber "sponge" feeling.

-Andy
__________________
72 Carrera RS replica, Spec 911 racer
Old 11-03-2005, 07:42 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
pwd72s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Linn County, Oregon
Posts: 36,245
Quote:
Originally posted by SoCal911SC
I also noticed no difference in switching out good condition regular tie rods to Turbos.

But I think you and I are the only ones that have ever felt that way in the history of Porschedom!
Add my voice as well...kind of hard to tell though, since I had a lot of other suspension stuff done at the same time...but strictly steering input? Not much, if any, difference that I could tell.
__________________
"Now, to put a water-cooled engine in the rear and to have a radiator in the front, that's not very intelligent."
-Ferry Porsche (PANO, Oct. '73) (I, Paul D. have loved this quote since 1973. It will remain as long as I post here.)
Old 11-03-2005, 07:45 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hill Country, TX
Posts: 255
And I thought I was the only one.
When I bought my car, the PPI said the tie rods should be replaced. I think it was the first thing I had done. My mechanic at the time, said after he replaced the tie rods, they probably had another year on them.
But I could never tell any difference, I only drive on the street.
They do look alot better, I just never get anyone under the car to see them.
__________________
pat
18,000mi a year 84targa
Old 11-03-2005, 08:22 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Used Up User
 
imcarthur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,292
Garage
Thanks for the honesty guys.

I was assuming it was a 'necessary' job. It turns into a $250 CDN job for those of us across the border.

Ian
__________________
'87 Carrera Cab

----- “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” A. Einstein -----
Old 11-03-2005, 09:04 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
durn for'ner
 
livi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: South of Sweden
Posts: 16,433
You guys !!%¤#

I have ordered and expect my ttr´s to arrive next week. Like a kid, looking forward to the tight steering feeling of a go cart (new Bilstein already).

Now I have to read there will be no noticeable change - I am afraid my stock are likely in good shape for their age.

Oh, well it was on my DIY list to get to know my car anyway. The satisfaction after completing previous DIY projects was way more important than the actual need for doing it.
__________________
Markus
Resident Fluffer

Carrera '85
Old 11-04-2005, 02:23 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: VB VA
Posts: 351
Garage
Livi - My observation exactly. I'm still going to place my order. As a beginner DIY'r I'll do anything to my car if it's within my capability and not to expensive. Also going to put a Poly-graphite upper strut mount kit and new belly pan on as well.
__________________
Reverend Ray
84 Carrera Coupe "DAS-V2"
GruppeB #2119

Volvo V70SE-Wife mobile
Nissan Frontier-Home Depot mobile
Old 11-04-2005, 04:16 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 667
I have a 911SC with SO3 16 inch tires so it has 55's on the front and 50's on the back. I also have 22m sway bars front and back with Bilstien sport shocks front and back. Stick torsion bars. All bushings have been replaced.
I will find out a week from today if it makes a difference on the track.
Old 11-04-2005, 05:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
safe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3,446
Garage
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyson Schmidt
You can run less static toe-in with Turbo tie-rods versus stock, because road forces will not cause them to toe-out while driving. [/B]
What toe-in do you recommend with stock vs. turbo tie rods?
That is for a street/auto-x car, with 21/27 t-bars.
__________________
Magnus
911 Silver Targa -77, 3.2 -84 with custom ITBs and EFI
911T Coupe -69, 3.6, G50, "RSR", track day.
Old 11-04-2005, 07:21 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #20 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:59 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.