Show me the original spoilers/wings for an SC

[fred cook]

Thinking of adding a wing on the back of my SC. I like the look of the "Ducktail" deck lid but also like some of the others. What came from the factory on the 78 - 83 SC 911s?

Thanks,

[bagpiper46]

Not sure if this is an original tail but it may be. All rubbery and after 91K miles still looks good. Car is an 81.

[javadog]

Fred,

There were three. First was an all rubber wing bolted to a normal rear decklid. Heavy, and a little ugly. In 1980, if you bought a Weissach edition, you got a wing like that of the 1975 US Carrera, or similar to a '76-77 Turbo, without the additional grille. Lastly, they supplied a tail similar to the '78-89 turbo tail. In my opinion, you want the second one, as it had the cleanest look on a narrow-bodied car. You can also put on an '84-up Carrera tail but the look is not as clean.

No doubt, others will chime in with the pictures.

JR

[Kroggers]

Not sure if this is original? But it is on my 78SC

[SC-targa]

In 82 & 83 you could also get the "Carrera" tail.

Regards,

Jerry Kroeger

[javadog]

Jerry,

I don't think you could get the Carrera tail until the '84 model year. When I ordered my '83 SC, the turbo tail was still being used so I had to obtain the tail I wanted from the parts department and change it after delivery.

Here's a photo of a Weissach/early Carerra tail from another thread.

JR

[cashflyer]

Dang... My 78 has a Carerra tail that the PO told me was an original option. I guess that was incorrect.

[Hetmann]

Fred

Add the tail you like best. I went with the early turbo tail (2 grilles).

[Whitechameleon]

This is the one i got on mine, have got original factory birth certificate and it was supplied without one so this must have been fitted sometime after and before i bought it.

[Kmatts]

I have an old all rubber tail in my garage. I don't think its ugly at all.
it is on the heavy side..that is much is fact.
K

[Bill Verburg]

The only 2 factory tail options on a normally aspirated car from '75 to '84 were the fiberglass whale pictured here

1 piece, f/g ,w/ separate p/u lip, single grill

and the variant pictured here w/ the separate grill for the Ac condenser

1 piece, f/g, w/ p/u lip and 2 grills, standard on 930s from '75 -'77

and the poly-urethane one pictured here

2 piece, bolts on to a standard steel deck lid.

This is a "tea tray" type used on '78 - '89 930s

2 piece ,plastic ,w/ p/u lip that bolts on to a standard steel deck lid, never a factory n/a option but lots of owners did install them. The standard spoiler on all 930s '78 -89

[javadog]

Bill;

I hate to disagree but the tea tray spoiler WAS available on cars with the M473 option at least by '82 and maybe in 81. I went around and around with VWOA in 1982 on this subject when I was ordering an '83 SC. I had a friend with an '82 that was delivered with the tea tray spoiler and I wanted the earlier version instead. In the end, they won and I had to buy the parts for the early style tail and change it out myself.

Also, as far as I know, the early style tail with the extra vent was only used on turbos. The version with the vent shows to have been used on cars with A/C but I've never actually seen one that was original to the car. All the cars I have seen used the version without the cutout for the extra vent. I don't think there were very many cars that used the early style tail. '75 Carreras, a few '76 Euro carreras and the 1980 Weissachs are all that I've seen.

As you said, there are now probably more owner installed tails than factory ones.

JR

[chrisp]

javadog, is M473 the widebody option?

[Bill Verburg]

Originally posted by javadog
Bill;

I hate to disagree but the tea tray spoiler WAS available on cars with the M473 option at least by '82 and maybe in 81. I went around and around with VWOA in 1982 on this subject when I was ordering an '83 SC. I had a friend with an '82 that was delivered with the tea tray spoiler and I wanted the earlier version instead. In the end, they won and I had to buy the parts for the early style tail and change it out myself.

Also, as far as I know, the early style tail with the extra vent was only used on turbos. The version with the vent shows to have been used on cars with A/C but I've never actually seen one that was original to the car. All the cars I have seen used the version without the cutout for the extra vent. I don't think there were very many cars that used the early style tail. '75 Carreras, a few '76 Euro carreras and the 1980 Weissachs are all that I've seen.

As you said, there are now probably more owner installed tails than factory ones.

JR

Hate to disagree back, but M473 option thru '80 was the p/u spoiler, I had one on my '76 oem as well.

The M491 option which became available in '84 was the turbo look, which did include the "tea tray" spoiler.

The second vent on those cars was always for AC, which was standard equipment for 930s, that's why you always saw and associated them w/ turbos( I am sure that there were exceptions due to production line glitches). They also were used on factory AC equipped n/a models.

There weren't a lot of US cars w/ the 1 piece f/g tail but it was a rpo on ROW "sport" models. usually included w/ a package of Bilstein shocks and sport seats

[javadog]

No, it's the "with spoilers" option. The turbo look option was M491, which was available starting with the Carerra 3.2 cars.

JR

[diy83sc]

Two items - The turbo tail was an option on the late 83, which might align with Bill's note on the 84. I owned an 83 with the Turbo tail - the original owner ordered the package which also shipped with 7 and 8" wheels.

The Weissach tail is not all fiberglass. Mine is fiberglass connected to a steel deck lid.

Tony

[Bill Verburg]

The turbo tail was an option on the late 83

Which turbo tail? early thru '77 was one version, late from '78 -'89 was another

The Weissach tail is not all fiberglass. Mine is fiberglass connected to a steel deck lid

The point is they were a one piece integrated design as opposed to the later 2 piece, bolted to the lid, design.

I have no doubt that Orangeburg may have thrown some 930 parts on 911s but that was an importers marketing decision, not the Weissach engineeers choice.

[Martin3.2]

Mine is a ROW '84 n/a car.
It has a tea tray.
According to its birth certificate it has option M473.
That means "mit bug- und heckspoiler".

[Bill Verburg]

Mine is a ROW '84 n/a car.

maybe it's glitch maybe a p/o did it, but the fact remains the 'tea tray' was a turbo spoiler.

the '84 M473 option was f/r spoilers, the front being the p/u chin
and the rear being this one

[450knotOffice]

I'll chime in here with my $.02...

According to Peter Morgan's book, "Original Porsche 911", on page 70 he writes "In September 1981, a revised and more elegant form of rear spoiler structure was fitted to the SC, with a large flat central cooling grille as on the Turbo, but cut back on the underside." September 1981 would have applied to the 1982 model year, btw.

He includes pictures of the two tails that were installed by the factory on the SC on page 71. Plain as day, the second white tail is the tail very commonly seen on the later Carrera. The caption states "...but further revisions for 1982 meant that the centre section was built up on its top surface, like the turbo version, and the underside was cut back..."

I tend to believe Peter Morgan on this issue due to the fact that he is a recognized authority on the 911 and has done years of research on the minutiae of the 911 and all its variants. I suppose it is possible that he could have gotten it wrong but not likely.