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917 coupe average auction results?
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I noticed that last summer Steve McQueen's 917 was auctioned. The report says it got $1.32 million. Is this high for a 917 coupe? Do most get somewhere around the 1 million range? how many 917 coupes were built?? Just curious.... Here is a copy of the article blurb I read on it: A 1969 ex-Steve McQueen Porsche 917, used in the film Le Mans, brought $1.32 million (unpublished estimate), and an ex-Carroll Shelby 1964 Cobra Daytona coupe rocketed to an awesome $4.4 million (unpublished estimate) at the Monterey Sports Car Auction, organized by RM Auctions that same high-horsepower weekend. For slower-minded folks, a 1966 Volkswagen 21-window microbus chugged to $34,100 (est. $34,000_$42,000). thanks, John
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anyone know about this?
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The #3 Sebring winning car....Vic Elford Martini liveried version of the 1971 Sebring winner....
....went for about 2.5 Million $ at Christies...I believe.... Wil
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aha. some info! I have been scouring the net looking for the number of coupes made but am unable to find solid numbers. I found that in '69 when Porsche first was attempting to race the 917, the CIS homologation board came out to the factory to see if the car would be allowed to race. Porsche did not have the 25 cars assembled to pass homologation yet Porsche tried to convince the board that they did indeed have the parts to assemble the required 25 cars. The board did not go for it and told Porsche they needed 25 cars right in front of there collective faces before the car could go to the track. After only 3 WEEKS, Porsche made the rest of the parts and assembled a full 25 cars. That is one amazing feat for a car that takes 160 hours alone to just build the engine.
It sounds like the pricing of these cars vary greatly if ex-Mcqueen's car is getting 1.32 and a Sebring winning car getting over a million more. I also read a 4.5 million number floating around for a le mans winning car. I did not see a pic of the car, I jsut read the info on another forum somewhere. That is one volitile car.
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If that was the Steve McQueen 917 that was used in le Mans, it used to be in Otis Chandler's museum in Oxnard and was nearly perfect.
Most race cars are all beat up and look like trash up close but not this one. I drooled over it for an hour straight one day. I'd say that price was a little higher than most because of it's celebrity history and condition. A Le Mans winner might bring even more because of winning race history. |
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I think this is a photo of all 25.
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Here is a list of chassis numbers...there were ultimately more built ( and re-built under different / switched numbers)....
http://wspr-racing.com/chassis/porsche/porsche917a.htm The 1970 Lemans winner reportedly sold for $3.5MM.... Wil
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wow what a great pic! are most of those cars surviving as coupes these days?
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thank you Wil for that link. That is just what I have been looking for. From what I understand, some of the original coupes are not in existence any longer, right? At least, that is what I am translating it as.
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When the Interseries ( Euro version of Can-Am) became popular right after the heyday of endurance racing ( for the 917)...many coupes were re-built into open top cars....some were N/A and some ended up Turbo. Then later...as the value and historical significance of these early cars became apparent... some were re-converted back into original 917K or 917LH coupes....
..pretty hard to say where/ how they all ended up. Best bet is to do a "trace" of the chassis numbers provided...per car. I believe there were close to 50 (or so) total 917's built, if I recall correctly.. Wil
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No telling how many remain, could be far more than 50.
I have read that Porsche at the time was building new chassis's for each major race. The chassis tubing was so thin and overall stressed that they feared severe cracking and structural failures so they replaced the entire chassis between events. Couple that with crashes, upgrades, ongoing development, radically different specs for different events and race classes...... I doubt its even possible to track a clear history for most of these cars.
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Tspringer- I agree with you and I think most will. Very difficult indeed to track a clear history of the cars due to how much they may have been"chopped up". I would undoubtedly understand if they did indeed change chassis each race. One of the oil lines was a structural part of the chassis if I read correctly. It would be a good idea if Porsche at least changed that one line(re-weld maybe?) every couple of races.
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Here is an attempt to see where these cars are now....
..how many... and what configuration they're currently in... http://962.com/registry/917/ Wil EDIT...I saw chassis #20 and #26 ( car number 3 and 19) hit each other...repeatedly ...at the Nurburgring this summer...do a search on I thread I wrote about this....sick.
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I think Seinfeld owns ( did own?..if the sales report in the first post is correct?) this particular 917 . Gulf with number 20 roundel.
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The #20 gulf car is now owned by John McCaw (sp) in the Pacific Northwest. That car was out at a local vintage race here in the summer. I would not describe it as near perfect, it looked to me to closer it "as raced" condition. I have some pics of it and there was also a thread here in the summer with a bunch of pics from that weekend. It looked good when the driver spun it on one of the demo laps!
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wow Wil- once again you found just what I have been dying to look at. Very interesting history these cars have. I wonder how much it would be to purchase a spyder then convert it back to coupe status. I guess if one could afford to purchase one of these, price to convert to original status would not matter.
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Chris McAllister and Rudy Junco had a heck of race at Laguna Seca, the Porsche tribute year with their 917's. It reminded me of the Walt Mass/ Monte Shelton duel in their 907's some years prior. just makes you want to rush home and keep playing the last 20 minutes of McQueen's Le Mans over and over- the sound is sooo incredible
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For some reason I thought the 917 that was at Otis Chandler's museum in the early to mid 80's was gulf blue livery, but now it appears it was the sunoco livery and was in fact a 917/30.
A quick search revealed that the car Otis purchased was a 917/30, number 033 (formerly driven by some guy named Donahue  )It was a long time ago, I didn't know anything about 917s then, and besides I have CRS
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Otis owned two 917s. The sunoco penske can am car and the le mans movie car. He used to give rides to POC members that won club raffle tickets at Riverside as well as race them in the vintage events there. I have a pic of John Thomas holding off Fred Knoop in his Mc Claren so Otis could pull out a healthy lead in the turbo panzer. AIR did the paint restoration for Chandler on the McQueen car.
There was another 917 that was driven in local club events too. A independant Porsche repair shop had bought a semi complete rolling spare chassis thru Vasek from Porsche AG. They installed a can am motor and trans then drove it on the street a little bit/ showed it before selling it off. Tom Congleton from Kansas City ended up with it and ran it in club events in red / white stripes le mans winner livery. The car was eventually restored to all white with fresh mechanicals- this is the one that Rudy Junco raced at Laguna
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