rs touring ?

[hemels]

i found this:
http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=all&id=11111111194561160&

but thats not a rs touring isn't ?
i believe its a 911 Carrera Coupé US

but could you got rs options on those ?

[Wil Ferch]

motor-nr fuer 1974 ist 614 0001 bis zu 614 9999 fuer den normale 1974 911. ..motor nr beschreiben ist 6631 120 2,7L... ich weiss nicht genau... aber dieses kann ein1973 Carrera RS motor sein.

Fuer 1974 FG nr sollte 911 440 0001 bis 911 440 9999 sein fuer 1974 "Carrera" ( auch 911 410 0001 bis zu 911 410 9999 fuer normale 911 sein).

Der wagen scheint nicht ein USA medell zu sein. Kann ein 1974 Carrera sein mit 1973 ( ?) RS motor. Es scheint zu tuer ( $) zu sein. Veilleicht jemand anderes kann etwas dazu sagen.

- Wil
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EDIT ..OOOps!...( English version)- motor for 1974 should be 614 0001 to 614 999 for the normal 1974 911...motor is written up as 6631 120 2.7L...i'm not quite sure but this maybe is a 1973 Carrera RS motor.

for 1974, chassis number should be 911 440 0001 to 911 440 9999 for a 1974 "Carrera" ( also 911 410 0001 to 911 410 9999 for the normal 911).

It would appear the car is not a USA model. Maybe its a 1974 Carrera with a 1973 (?) RS motor. It would then seem to me too expensive. Maybe someone else here can add to this.

[GeorgeK]

FG-Nr.: 911 440 0101, Motor-Nr.: 6631 120

That is a '74 NON-Euro Carrera chassis number, and a '73 RS MFI engine number.

So the engine and car don't match, unless there happened something that we don't know, and then the seller had better have genuine factory documents to prove it.

[Wil Ferch]

George:

Why is that a "non-Euro" chassis number?.... the chassis numbers usually don't "know" end-use country.... my basis is the pocket Tech-Spec books that I used to help answer the question. USA vs ROW chassis numbers are not listed...just world-wide ( total) production numbers range, as I indicated.

The 440 ( vs 410) indicates a "Carrera" for 1974, instead of a normal 911....correct.

The seller's text says certificate of origin and other factory paper documents are available.

You seem to agree that it's ( at least) a '73 engine mated to a '74 Carrera chassis...as I suspected.

- Wil

[GeorgeK]

Will,
A '74 Carrera with MFI has a 91146XXXXX chassis.
91144XXXXX does not correspond to a (911/83 engine equipped) Euro carrera.

[TRE Cup]

perhaps the original mfi motor (if it was so equipped as a row version) was replaced with the earlier engine? Wil is correct, the 74 tech spec booklet does not show the difference between usa and row

[javadog]

Wil,

In 1974, a US Carrera had a chassis number that began with 91144xxxxx and a ROW Carrera had one that began with 91146xxxxx.

JR

[Wil Ferch]

Javadog:

As TRE Cup and I indicated, the Tech Spec books don't make this distinction..

If for nothing else than education...what is the reference basis for your assertion? I'm always learning...

- Wil

[fryardds]

This car used to be in the US. I saw it in Monterey several years ago and was aware it was sold to somewhere in Europe. I saw it for sale there last year but it did not have the red graphics then.

The price is very ambitious for a non-matching '74 US Carrera (even with a 663XXXX motor) IMHO.

[GeorgeK]

Java has it right. I am curious to know why a CSI car ends up with a MFI engine, and how it is all original. I hope they have good documentation.

[fryardds]

Guys,

It is not original. Someone (I can't remember his name right now) in CA put the 663XXXX motor in a US Carrera.

[javadog]

Wil,

I use a variety of sources. The Porsche tech books, various other books and some notes I have gathered over the years from a variety of sources. I have a huge number of books in my library so I can't list all that I use ( I type way too slow for that) but the more common ones are:

The Red Book
The Porsche Family Tree
The Original Porsche 9xx series
B. Anderson's books
Starkey's books
The books by Johnson and Haah
Porsche Tech bulletins

You have to be a little careful, as each of the books has errors but if I see the same number listed in more than one, or I see a pattern in the numbering system that I recognize (Porsche did have some organization in how they numbered stuff), I feel pretty comfortable throwing out an opinion.

JR

[TRE Cup]

ah!!! i remember this car- it was originally Nor Cal's Peter Stoneberg's PCA time trial car, sold to a guy in san diego, then sold again to another porsche guy in the valley here. It has a real RS engine from a rasberry colored RS that had been totaled a long time ago (believe me i tried to track that down!) This white 74 was super cleanly presented BUT had been in an accident on the right rear that was not correctly repaired. The frame rail is pinched inside the engine compartment on the right side. The rear cowl below the back window should have a pair of small holes where the window retaining straps had been installed
Car sold for about 28k

Yep- you can see the rear holes in the pictures on their website. the damage is easily seen in the engine compartment if you could get under the lid

[Jeff Alton]

And now it is back in Germany? Or is it in cali? At any rate is is clearly mis-represented......

Cheers

[fryardds]

Dave,

Thanks for additional background info on the car. I don't remember seeing those problems from a poor accident repair. I do remember that it had a factory Ducktail which I assume is still on the car. It is amazing, especially in light of the poor repair, how some seller can ask 46K Euro. That is what a very nice '74 Carrera 2.7 should go for.

As far as I know this car is now in Germany and has been for a couple of years.

[PorscheGuy79]

The vinyl placement is shotty for a car of that price, the sides are too short and the "PORSCHE" on the back seems a bit repeditive with the reflector still in place. I would assume a car of that caliber and price would be done to better standards.