Porsche Certificate is a joke!!question about my vin #

[fricker]

Hey guys, I just got my porsche certificate of Authenticity and I must say for a $130 bucks ca. what a rip off!! no info on it really!
I have a few questions about it and since I have to wait to phone them tom. I'll ask you guys since you know your stuff really well.
I have a 1970 911E Vin# 9110200104, I checked a few websites including 911E.org and they all say that I have a porsche built coupe but in the Certificate it says I have a karmann coupe.
Which one is correct?
The Certificate also shows a different engine # than what I have in the car but I i'll pretty sure my # is the right one. Since they could be wrong with the body type it could mean that they are wrong about the engine too.
The Certificate also says that my transmission # is not listed!
This Cert. is a joke!! for the price
Any comments and info about my car will help me through the night.
Thanks Chris

[andrew15]

Yes, your 911E should be a Porsche body.
The vin breaks down as:
911 = 911 model
0 = 1970 model year
2 = 2.2 E Engine
0 = Porsche built body (Karmann bodies should have a '2' here)
0104 = sequential build #

Hope that helps!
Andrew M

[naparsei]

Did you cross check the VIN on the car with the VIN on the Kardex?

[KNS]

They do have mistakes. I ordered one and my 1980 was described as having left the factory with "Turbo-Look Body". It feels a little strange explaining to a Porsche representative that that the Factory didn't make those in 1980 and that I was quite sure mine wasn't a turbo-Look.

[Neilk]

The first CoA I got from Porsche said that my car was Rose Red. It was clear that my car had never had a color change, so I called Porsche up and they corrected it for me. Fortunately it was "only" $75 back then.

[Tyson Schmidt]

Yeah, they aren't much bang for the buck. Really only useful if you want the engine and trans numbers to verify matching numbers.


BTW, isn't VIN number redundant?

Like PIN number, or CD disc, or DVD video disc.

Vehicle Identification Number #

O.K., I'm done bustin' yer chops.

[David E. Clark]

Originally posted by andrew15
Yes, your 911E should be a Porsche body.
The vin breaks down as:
911 = 911 model
0 = 1970 model year
2 = 2.2 E Engine
0 = Porsche built body (Karmann bodies should have a '2' here)
0104 = sequential build #

Hope that helps!
Andrew M

$130.00 for the wrong information! I say you owe Andrew a beer

[fryardds]

I have Karmann coupe 9110220498 with engine # 6200806, which was confirmed by a Cert. of Auth. Yours is indeed a Porsche built coupe but my CoA doesn't distinguish between a Porsche or a Karmann build. Mine also doesn't list a transmission #.

Make sure to contact the CoA program director for a refund or correction. I received mine last June and at the time it was Barb Kuntz.

[randywebb]

or SCUBA gear...

[bigchillcar]

xerox copy..?

[Nine9six]

Originally posted by David E. Clark
$130.00 for the wrong information! I say you owe Andrew a beer

I say Porsche owes you a refund of $130 plus time and effort. In my book, thats an awful lot of beer.

[fricker]

Hey guys, thanks for the info and yes i do owe Andrew some beer.
I emailed them back and they responed that they used a book that I have that i know is WRONG, the book in called 911 912 by dr.b.johnson
What a waste of money!
They said my engine # is 6200631 according to kardex but the engine that i have is 6200083
is there anyway that I can check for this myself? or is there anyone here that can check it for me?
Thanks guys
Chris

[Huey58]

This is a page from my Porsche family tree. Something does not add up!

[fricker]

Hey Huey, thanks for the great info.
I compared that sheet to some of the cars on 911.org that say they have a matching #'s car and they don't line up. Theres porsche built coupes that have engine #s in the 6208000 range and theres karmann built coupes that have 6200000-6202000 and they all say they have matching #s cars?
I'm confused even more now.
The engine #6200631 that the cert says and my engine #6200083 both fall in the porsche built range. So what can I do to find the truth?
I know for a fact that my car is a porsche built coupe because of all the info stating that and i know porsche used an incorrect book to state that my car is karmann.
They did tell me that for the engine # they used kardex but maybe they made a mistake there too?
What can I do to check or is there more great info that you guys can help me with?
Thanks
Chris

[fryardds]

Chris,

The engine type 911/01 will have serial #s 6200001 onward. This is the type in your car. The engine type 911/04 is for the E model Sporto and is serial # 6208000 onward.

The only way you will able to figure out if you have a matching car is keep an eye out for a VIN close to yours on the 911E.org site and see it the engine serial # is close to yours. The Karmann coupes really cause confusion in the sequencing of the VIN and engine #s.

[buster73]

Just received my COA from Porsche. The good news is that my car is now confirmed as a matching number car in the right color. More confusing is that my 73T is listed as a 1973 Carrera Karmann with turbo look and spoiler delete option - go figure. Now I have to decide if this is just the result of bad database management or if I can sell my car at Barrett-Jackson as a rare RS bodied 911T. My car is indeed equipped with RS flares. Most probably installed by a PO, but could of course be a rare factory option.

[Jip]

attn. Tyson Schmidt; And here I thought I was the only rocket scientist on this forum. I too have learned to say VI number and PI number,etc,etc,etc. Thanks Roadslayer

[David E. Clark]

Originally posted by buster73
Just received my COA from Porsche. The good news is that my car is now confirmed as a matching number car in the right color. More confusing is that my 73T is listed as a 1973 Carrera Karmann with turbo look and spoiler delete option - go figure. Now I have to decide if this is just the result of bad database management or if I can sell my car at Barrett-Jackson as a rare RS bodied 911T. My car is indeed equipped with RS flares. Most probably installed by a PO, but could of course be a rare factory option.

I think there is a rule at Barrett-Jackson where you'll only get top dollar if you put this sticker under the hood:



P.S. I know it's not stated specifically on the COA -- but it could be!

[buster73]

Originally posted by David E. Clark
I think there is a rule at Barrett-Jackson where you'll only get top dollar if you put this sticker under the hood:



P.S. I know it's not stated specifically on the COA -- but it could be!

My engine shroud is painted "Hemi orange", so I guess this would count. And I could put a "Six-pack" sticker on the air filter to push the price even further.

[Wil Ferch]

And..... ALL 911's are technically "Hemi's" anyway !!!!

- Wil