2.7 Turbo kit?

SLO-BOB · 05:54 AM

It's in the works and I need feedback on interest-check update at back!

Yeah, yeah. I know-do a search. I did and there is TOO much info. I can't process it all. Especially since I know nothing about this crap. Soooo, please forgive my ignorance and indulge this question-

Is there a kit or at least a proven build sheet for turbo-ing a 2.7 car?

I tried Protomotive-they seem to specialize in newer cars. I searche BAE-out of business. I tried RNFG-e-mailed and waiting for response. If someone can point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

Here's a link that seemed to simplify the explaination.

Turbo talk

Is it really this simple? Fab up a a manifold and airbox, bolt on a turbo and waste gate, etc., turn key, kick a$$? I didn't think so.

Btw-I plan on going the Bitz route also. TIA

sammyg2 · 08-09-2005, 12:55 PM

Yes, it is that easy if you can stay below 5 or 6 psi boost. If you plan to go higher then you need to do some more work.

RickM · RickM's Garage

I think you're going to have to go with a used BAE system or piece together a system. Either way it'll be a custom job. If you're going the bitz route then things may be a bit easier and better managed since you can control ignition and fuel.

I don't believe RNFG is going to go into production with his kit.

SLO-BOB · 04:41 PM

Thanks for responding.

Okay-so if I need to piece it together I would need:

The turbo, of course. K27? T04? Recommendations and sources?

Wastegate-I know nothing of this

Exhaust stuff that, by the looks of it, can bolt on to SSIs?

Plumbing up to-wherever the turbo plumbing goes?

As it's plain to see, I know nothing about Turbos. However, I'm a fast learner once I set my mind to it. I plan on acquiring all that I need by fall for my winter's project. Like I said, any help is greatly appreciated.

This is what I want to do but, wouldn't one want a muffler?- Looks easy

.

Again-doesn't look too tough. Now if I just knew what all those tubes did

shillier · 08-09-2005, 05:44 PM

Hey Sebring77,

Good luck and let me know how you make out. I've also been doing some research and trying to piece together a low boost turbo for my stock '81 SC. I'm far from knowing anything about this stuff but Here's what I've found so far from the information I’ve gathered...

Go out and get a book called Maximum Boost by Corky Bell . Apparently this is one of the better books on understanding Turbo Charged Cars. Amazon.com has them pretty cheap. I just ordered mine.

From reading, it looks like space is one of the challenges. Draining the oil that cools the turbo is tough and proper location and alignment of the turbo can be tricky.

I'm not sure but I think those two chromed looking pipes are for the air intake to the turbo and the charge from the turbo into the intake of the engine. It looks like the turbo gets it's air from the stock air intake (the big black ugly thing). I think if you go with Tony's EFI kit, you can get rid of all this and tap strait into the intake.

There's all kinds of other stuff... waist gate, blow off valve, fuel pressure, you may need to change your injectors for more fuel flow as well as the fuel pump. And from what I'm reading, it's a whole other ball game if you want more then 5-7 psi of boost. Then you’re looking intercoolers and all kinds of other stuff.

It looks like Tony is working on a kit. Here's the thread
911SC (with CIS to EFI) Turbo Conversion

They also talk about turbo maps and selection which completely confuses the hell out of me.

Let me know how things work out.

Cheers!
Shayne

dd74 · 08-09-2005, 06:03 PM

It can be done: I've looked into doing this to my 3.0, and still have a distant interest in doing so.

But just for the sake of argument, there also is the idea of simply dropping a CIS turbo engine into your car. I've seen 3.0 as well as 3.3 turbos around on the Pelican classifieds. At least that way you don't have to concern yourself with re-engineering.

SLO-BOB · 08-09-2005, 06:43 PM

Well- tossing in a different engine is certainly an option. However, if I were to do that, I would upgrade to a 3.6. That costs a minimium of 10k. I want to get 250 hp for under 4k. I think it's doable.

I have decided to make this my mission. I will have devised a bolt on turbo option for us CIS guys by fall. The T04 turbo can be had for peanuts. The rest is also readily available. All's it takes is know how at this point. I'm workin' on that

.

dd74 · 08-09-2005, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sebring77
Well- tossing in a different engine is certainly an option. However, if I were to do that, I would upgrade to a 3.6. That costs a minimium of 10k. I want to get 250 hp for under 4k. I think it's doable.

I have decided to make this my mission. I will have devised a bolt on turbo option for us CIS guys by fall. The T04 turbo can be had for peanuts. The rest is also readily available. All's it takes is know how at this point. I'm workin' on that.

Alright! I like your determination. Do a search on RFNG. He was another Pelican who had a home-grown turbo on his later-year model 3.0. I went on a couple runs with him, and his car hauled. There also was a guy (I forget his handle), who was selling a BAE kit off his 3.0. It bolted into heat exchangers - was very cool. Check out classifieds; search "turbo kit" or something, and follow his name. His install story was pretty interesting.

mb911 · mb911's Garage

sebring 77 Please don't do this. If its easy I will have to follow and this will just get expensive. I can see it now$$$$$$$$$$$ for me anyhow! good luck

tsuter · 08-10-2005, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mb911
sebring 77 Please don't do this. If its easy I will have to follow and this will just get expensive. I can see it now$$$$$$$$$$$ for me anyhow! good luck

Burlington, WI?? Get some parts,
We could install yours this weekend!!!
Muhahahahaha!!

tsuter · 08-10-2005, 04:49 AM

But with a real 4.5" straight out muffler. None of this 180 degree wrap around cr@p.

SLO-BOB · 08-10-2005, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tsuter
Burlington, WI?? Get some parts,
We could install yours this weekend!!!
Muhahahahaha!!

Now that's the kind of response I like to hear! I sent you an e-mail this A.M prior to seeing this post, asking for your input. I've done a TON of reading of the archives. I've logged a bunch of your posts and I like your take on this topic. The fact that you actually have this in your car AND live in Wisconsin makes you a valuable resource indeed. Do you drink beer?

Based some posts you've made earlier my baseline is the T04-not the hybrid 3/4 which seem to be the most common spinner on fleabay.

BTW Tsuter-I'm on the coast above Milwaukee. Where are you located?

tsuter · 08-10-2005, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sebring77
Do you drink beer?

Is the Pope Catholic??

Madison, WI and my email thru here is suspect at best.

SLO-BOB · 08-10-2005, 07:34 AM

I think this has the makings for a beautiful relationship!

New Glarus Spotted Cow happens to be one of my favorite vices.

So how to begin? I'm ready!

mb911 · mb911's Garage

whats the cost?? I may be doing this sometime soon as well with the bitz kit (efi)

sfmlaw17 · 08-10-2005, 07:52 AM

If you are going to seriously do this, please do a step by step analysis of what is being done, where you sourced the parts, what fabrication needed to be done, etc. There are many of us that possess the basic skills, but lack the direction. I would love to do this myself and have been following all the informational threads on the subject as well.

dweymer · dweymer's Garage

Does anyone have a compressor map for the K27? I already have lots of parts for mine but wanted to see the map for that turbine.

biosurfer1 · 08-10-2005, 08:23 AM

what about motomotions.com?...their website said thay were working on a 2.7 and 3.0 turbo kit, i emailed someone there about the kit months ago and they were still in the process of making it, but said it should have been out late june, but that was the last i have heard of it...maybe someone will chime in who works there...

SLO-BOB · 08-10-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sfmlaw17
If you are going to seriously do this, please do a step by step analysis of what is being done, where you sourced the parts, what fabrication needed to be done, etc.

That's exactly my plan. There are a few guys out there who have been down this road, like Tsuter and BB. I'm hoping we can rally them to help. Once I do mine, I'll document everything including suppliers. Depending on the help I get on this, it may, or may not be an excellent performing installation-but it'll be a start. From there I, or people more knowledgeable than myself (like pretty much anyone who's reading this), can improve on it if need be.

I plan on bolting things on for better or worse this winter if not sooner

. This is what I have so far after 2 days of reading the archives and cruising the net:

As I said, my expectations are not unrealistic. I want to get up around the 250 HP mark. 7-9 PSI boost. It's starting to look like a T04 Turbo w/54 and external waste gate. I'm torn between using 930 heat exchangers or SSIs. I would prefer the SSIs (Due to construction and availability) but the 930 exhaust has many advantages (Made for a turbo and shorter distance to the turbo). Either way I'll have to have some exhaust fab work done. I feel intercooling is a good option also. I'm going to talk to my Mustang hotrod friends and get their input. My discussions with them so far have been based around the Megasquirt system, which they feel is essential. I'm not adverse to ditching my CIS system at all.

People who have done this are probably grinning as they have been here before. To them I probably sound like someone from a foreign land who is trying to speak English fluently after a two day corrospondence course. Know that all of the above is regurgitated info that has been posted by people like Tsuter. Consider that high praise for how they present themselves. I also try to use information from people who have actually done this. No armchair quarterbacks! There's a big difference between theory and turning the key on a car that you piece together. There may be ideals, but price, ease of installation, and parts availability are huge factors. This will by no means be the ultimate turbo car. I merely want to get more HP and maintain driveability and durability within reason.

SLO-BOB · 08-10-2005, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by biosurfer1
what about motomotions.com?...their website said thay were working on a 2.7 and 3.0 turbo kit, i emailed someone there about the kit months ago and they were still in the process of making it, but said it should have been out late june, but that was the last i have heard of it...maybe someone will chime in who works there...

There have been at least 3 people who have attempted to mainstream this. RNFG, Motomotions, and Bitz. RNFG is missing in action. Bitz has not been working on it lately either. I don't know about Souk. We all have to remember that people have day jobs and this is mostly a hobby. I'm sure all of the above have put in a lot of time on this subject and I would love to hear from them. If someone has a kit ready to go-just tell me where to send the check

. It'll save me a LOT of homework.