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zumwoll 06-10-2006 09:22 PM

pls check my math
 
I was wondering if my speedo on my 74 911 (NOT AN S) was accurate cause the tires are so different from the stock ones. 195.65.15 vs 225.50.15
I have not owned a 74 n 12 yrs and do not recall 75mph being at 3600 rpms. But then I may be comparing it to my last SC which cruised 75 at 3200rpms.
Combined section height of the stock 1974 911 tire ---a 195.65 is 253 mm.
Combined section height of my current 225.50 tires is 258mm. that is less than 5mm from top of wheel to bottom of wheel, which amounts to a speedo discrepancy of aboiut 3% or not worth worrying about.
I know the stock 911 only had 140hp which is why the gearing is so aggressive but I would have thought fifth gear would be more like an overdrive.
Appreciate comments.
Oh, and the reason I don't like the Rs is cause the six webers suck big time---gas that is ---at that rev and at $3.40 gal where I live or $40 every 200 miles is a lot of money for the fun.

Early_S_Man 06-10-2006 09:58 PM

The stock tires for a '74 base 911 were 185/70-15, which were 25.5" tall, and about 815 revs/mile.

The 225/50-15 tires are only 23.9" tall, and 870 revs/mile.

You may want to recheck your math ...

Walter_Middie 06-10-2006 10:07 PM

Tire Math 101:

195 65 15
Width = 195 mm = 7.72 inches
aspect ratio = 65% of the width
15 inch wheel

So the height of the tire in inches is 2*7.72*0.65 + 15 = 25.03 inches

The circuference of the tire is PI* diameter or hieght = 78.64 inches

The 225 50 15 tire has a circuference of 74.95 inches

This is an error of 4.7%

2.7RACER 06-10-2006 11:00 PM

zumwoll,
With Warrens info, The 225/50-15 tires are only 23.9" tall, and 870 revs/mile.
A '74 915 5 speed transaxle used a 7:31 pinion and ring gear, with a 29:21 fifth gear.
31/7=4.42857 final drive ratio. 21/29=.724133 fifth gear ratio.
4.42857 X .724133= 3.2068 final in fifth gear.
At 3600 rpm/ 3.2068 = 1122.5 output rpm at wheel.
1122.5/870 revs per mile= 1.29
1.29 x 60 = 77.42 mph @ 3600 motor rpm.
3600/77.42= 46.5 rpm constant.
65 mph x 46.5 = 3022 engine rpm.
70 mph x 46.5 = 3255 engine rpm.

I can't resist these numbers problems,

edit: I've got a problem with 870 revs per mile for a 23.9 inch tire.
I get 843.8 revs per mile using pi x 23.9.
If 843.8 is true then at 3600 you are doing 79.89 mph.
Help Warren, why the discrepancy?

DARISC 06-10-2006 11:23 PM

zumwoll, et al,

Check out this cool calculator! Just delete the 993 Turbo no.s in the boxes, plug your car's no.s in, move your mouse arrow up & down over the graph and, VOILA - every speed/rev combo is dynamically displayed in a little box as you move about!

http://www.geocities.com/z_design_studio/transmission_993_bit.html


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