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c2 rower 06-25-2006 04:30 PM

Loss of value on 86 Coupe if I remove AC
 
She's a clean, black 3.2 with about 75k miles. The orig r12 AC kinda petered out last year. It would prob work with an evac and recharge, although when it worked I hardly ever used it. I would just put on my shorts and open the windows.

If I really yanked all the parts and hoses I would really try to use the blower and center vents to just get fresh air in cause the fresh air system sucks. That will prob take some research on the details.

My only apprehension is the loss of resale value so I'm trying to assess what kind of hit I would take if I sold it some day.

My right brain says keep it original. My left brain says it your 20 year old SPORTS CAR, do what you want.

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ruf-porsche 06-25-2006 04:45 PM

I say listen to your right brain.

george 4man 06-25-2006 04:46 PM

I think that removing the AC of my 86 has hurt its resale, but then again I like my car and I wanna keep it.
So yeh, thats the first thing people said when I offered mine for sale...
"where's the AC?"

89911 06-25-2006 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by george 4man
I think that removing the AC of my 86 has hurt its resale, but then again I like my car and I wanna keep it.
So yeh, thats the first thing people said when I offered mine for sale...
"where's the AC?"

If the first thing they ask is about the AC, they don't really know much about 911's. You can keep up the farce that the 911's AC actually works and try to pawn that off to others. If they actually turn it on and then complain that it's not blowing cold air, what next? Until then you'll be driving around in a high performance sports car with 100lbs of useless weight. The choice is yours, I just saw it as an opportunity to save weight.

dentist90 06-25-2006 05:27 PM

You can take out the compressor and rear condenser and put them in a safe place. Just cap the ends of the lines so you don't get junk in them. The center vents will still work to blow outside air thru your dash. As long as you have the parts no harm will come. You (or a future owner) will probably have to do conversion anyway as many garages look at you like you're a pedophile when you ask if you can fill up again with R12.

89911 06-25-2006 05:40 PM

What are still doing with AC? Are those 2 weeks of temperatures in the 70's in August giving you heat stroke.:eek:

fintstone 06-25-2006 06:11 PM

I would think that having any major subsystem not working or missing would certainly cause loss of value. The wise thing would be to fix the AC so it works properly like anything else. If I were the one buying it, I would consider the value to be about $5-6K less than a complete car....as it would cost $3-4K to repair it plus time, inconvenience, and loss of originality.

livi 06-25-2006 11:30 PM

I am having the same left-right brain struggle. Extra weight (probably not that significant), obstacle in engine comp. when working, donīt need it anyway here in Sweden. Car being GPW I have not needed the A/C once during last summer. What great summers we have..

Then again, is it that easy to just bolt it off in back and clamp the hoses ?

Rick V 06-26-2006 02:47 AM

I yanked my AC completly out from my car. I left the evap box(gutted) and fan so I can have the airflow. I packed everything away after sealing everything up in airtight, vac-pac bags. I can simply reinstall and recharge. Just don't break anything and the removal can be reversed. I saved 80 lbs and the engine bay is much more open. Next is the heat backdate!
Yank it all, just be carefull and don't sell the parts. My$.02

Tim Hancock 06-26-2006 03:20 AM

I don't drive my car in the salty winters. A good portion of my driving includes a 40 mile each way drive to and from work. During the summer, temps on the way home are often in the 80's and 90's with high humidity. If I had no AC, I probably would not end up using my car very often. While the AC in the 911 is not the BEST system, it does work and makes daily driving in hot weather a civilized reality. Unless you are a competitive racer, why not fix and use the AC?

hbkramer 06-26-2006 04:31 AM

SSi's, Backdated heat and ac delete are a plus for me. AND the ease of working on it now.....priceless. Just DO it !

Zef 06-26-2006 05:05 AM

Just keep the parts you remove...store them, and if you have to sell the 911 one day...the new owner will just have to put them back if he want to...That way...you will not lost the value of an A/C 911.

on-ramp 06-26-2006 06:01 AM

when are you planning on selling it? if soon, then keep the a/c.. if you're keeping it for many years, take the a/c out . you dont need it.

tsuter 06-26-2006 06:07 AM

If I was a buyer I would expect the A/C to not only be working but be updated to 134a. Seeing a 911 with factory air all ripped out.......spells TRAAAACK CAAAAAR......beater.....not to mention the $1500 DIY to $4000 professional cost it would take to make right.

rcooled 06-26-2006 06:29 AM

Unless you're going to track the car, there's really no point in tearing out the A/C....you'll never notice the weight difference on the road anyway. If you don't need it, just don't use it. I strongly agree with previous posts stating that missing/disconnected A/C will make the car harder to sell. You may think now that you'll never, ever sell your 911 but things change over time and the one thing most buyers of ANY vintage car look for is ORIGINALITY.

911 Rod 06-26-2006 07:02 AM

You bought this car as an investment?
If you are worried about money I'd find a different passion.

89911 06-26-2006 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by 911 Rod
You bought this car as an investment?
If you are worried about money I'd find a different passion.

Ditto. The day you stop worrying about resale and start making your car they way you want it is a freeing experience.

Rick V 06-26-2006 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by tsuter
not to mention the $1500 DIY to $4000 professional cost it would take to make right.
I'm not sure where you are getting your pricing but I am a wrench and I would be happy to re-install an ac system for $4000.

Rick V 06-26-2006 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by rcooled
[Byou'll never notice the weight difference on the road anyway. [/B]
I noticed a big diff. when I removed my ac. The biggest was by removing the 35lbs from the rr of the car the lf didn't raise up as badly under heavy, quick throttle. JMO
It should be noted my shocks were shot at the time, may have had something to do with the lifting

Dixie 06-26-2006 08:20 AM

Don't pull it! A/C was standard on 3.2 Carreras. Pulling it really detracts from the value of your car.
  • If it's a street car, the next buyer will want the A/C components to be in the car. Even if the A/C does not work.
  • If you or the next buyer wants to go racing, the A/C is needed to run 'stock' class.
My best guess is pulling the A/C on a 3.2 Carrera would cost you $2,000 to $3,000 in value.

BTW, none of this applies to SC 911s. A/C was an option on them.


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