Porsche GT1 Super Super car in 2009

[johncj8989]

Looks like a Veyron killer is in the works.

http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=14298
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Porsche Carrera GT: basis for the GT1Porsche looks set to produce a Bugatti Veyron-beater, according to this week's Autocar magazine. The machine will be based on the Le Mans car that Porsche has under development, but will be a road-going version. It's due in 2009.

The 950bhp car, to be called the GT1, will hit a top speed of 254mph -- that's just a shade over the Veyron's 252mph top whack. However, by the time the GT1 arrives, the game may well have moved on, since there are strong rumours of a faster Veyron under wraps. The GT1 will be based on the Carrera GT, using a modified version of its carbon fibre chassis but with a different nose and tail, plus a roof. The dashboard's said to be very similar too.

We don't yet know though where the power is to come from. It could be a modified version of the GT's V10 or a turbocharged V8 -- the engine in the Cayenne -- but bored-out to 5.5-litres.

Autocar's source was leaked official drawings of the car.

[Wil Ferch]

Somehow I'm left largely unimpressed in the current wave of hyper-performance cars in an ever-increasing upward spiral of cost and unusable performance.....

I mean....what?.... does the "next" car...due (say) in 2020 have to have 1780 hp to compete in the marketplace?

Too many CGT's are being crashed new as it is......

- Wil

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by Wil Ferch
Somehow I'm left largely unimpressed in the current wave of hyper-performance cars in an ever-increasing upward spiral of cost and unusable performance.....

I mean....what?.... does the "next" car...due (say) in 2020 have to have 1780 hp to compete in the marketplace?

Too many CGT's are being crashed new as it is......

- Wil

Wil, I always respect your opinion, but on this one I differ.

I LIKE the idea that the CGT is a bit too much car..and they get bent occasionally. We have more than enough cars that coddle.

And as for the upper end, why not?? Bottom line here is that, for the street, a Honda Civic is more car than we really need, now isnt it?

I am GLAD Porsche has decided to get their name back into the "ultimate" category. I helps reinforce the perception that they are a manufacturer capable of incredible things.

When the Veyron was made, it was thought that this was it. The market really wouldn't support more cars at that level of performance and price, ...... that the stars had aligned and we were witnessing the last great supercar.

For the school kids across the world, I hope thats not the case, and I hope Porsche has fun with it.

good on them!

[wesayso]

Just upgrade the electro motor on this thing and be done with it



See it race the current CGT here:

http://www.pluginamerica.com/media/Wrightspeed.wmv

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[JeremyD]

Originally posted by Wil Ferch
Somehow I'm left largely unimpressed in the current wave of hyper-performance cars in an ever-increasing upward spiral of cost and unusable performance.....

I mean....what?.... does the "next" car...due (say) in 2020 have to have 1780 hp to compete in the marketplace?

Too many CGT's are being crashed new as it is......

- Wil

Come on Wil - without a uber performance XXX supercar - what will the filthy rich dude with the little pecker spend his money on??

[Wil Ferch]

I guess my point in the technology "advancements" is that it can take a number of turns...not just go in "one" direction.....

Maybe the next "advancement" would be to package the goodness of the ( already wretchedly excessive) CGT and bring it down a number of price points...that would be advancement too. Much like the later water-cooled 996/997 turbo's out-doing the vaunted 959.

Doesn't have to be *that* direction , either...just another example. It seems the only formula is ever increasing hp levels...I just don't see it. Remember...the highly regarded 917 had 560 hp....the CGT has 650 hp. And..there were only a few pilots on the world capable of handling a 917.

Like I said...what's it going to take? 1780 hp in 2020?..... I'm all for Ueber performance cars but this smacks of such excess, it's like it does indeed take a bit away from Porsche ( example...over the years compared to -say- Ferrari...the Porsche was always a blend of streetable use with high performance, while the Ferrari was a "sometimes runs" boutique car not to be taken seriously..even with more HP. Seems Porsche is heading likewise into the rich-idiot market instead of being perceived as the thinking-man's performance car)

...one man's opinion.....

- Wil

[Bullet Bob]

Now the electric car... that will be untouchable by any gas powered car. Imagine four wheel independent drive, no differential front or rear (the electric motors could be synce'd perfectly), and perfect traction control under braking and cornering.

In that video I saw an electric car that is in development beat the crap out of $600k worth of supercars that utilize technology that has been around for years. I'm sure that there are problems that still need to be solved, but I am putting my money on electric for the future supercar domain.

Bob

[dtw]

Mmmmm...anyone else smell a homologation special?

[randywebb]

Wil, I vote for a nice stiff car with 1780 lbs. in 2008 - and a 250 hp motor would be great to go with that.

I also agree with Bob -- eventually. And an electric motored car has the possibility of putting the heavier components down low in the chassis. It is going to take a while tho before that can surpass gas IC engine technology -- after all, it was about a 120 year technology development headstart for vehicles.

[nostatic]

I'd vote for 300hp, light weight, and 50mpg.

[Netspeed]

Originally posted by Wil Ferch
I guess my point in the technology "advancements" is that it can take a number of turns...not just go in "one" direction.....

Maybe the next "advancement" would be to package the goodness of the ( already wretchedly excessive) CGT and bring it down a number of price points...that would be advancement too. Much like the later water-cooled 996/997 turbo's out-doing the vaunted 959.

Doesn't have to be *that* direction , either...just another example. It seems the only formula is ever increasing hp levels...I just don't see it. Remember...the highly regarded 917 had 560 hp....the CGT has 650 hp. And..there were only a few pilots on the world capable of handling a 917.

Like I said...what's it going to take? 1780 hp in 2020?..... I'm all for Ueber performance cars but this smacks of such excess, it's like it does indeed take a bit away from Porsche ( example...over the years compared to -say- Ferrari...the Porsche was always a blend of streetable use with high performance, while the Ferrari was a "sometimes runs" boutique car not to be taken seriously..even with more HP. Seems Porsche is heading likewise into the rich-idiot market instead of being perceived as the thinking-man's performance car)

...one man's opinion.....

- Wil

I'm with Wil on this one....

I don't think Porsche ever built the "ultimate" road car. They built their reputation as very fast cars that many (not all) people could afford. Yes there was a time when a standard 911S was the fastest thing around, but that was when manufacturers thought 100hp was great. If they want to go ahead and build an uber-car to attract attention so be it, but my thinking is they need to cater more towards the $40-50k with a stripped down hot rod ala the 356 Speedster. Just my thoughts....this topic has been greatly debated in other threads.

[lateapex911]

Oh, I agree, I'd love to see a Boxster striped and rodded. But you know, i bet the sales figures would suck. Us early guys would say, "Very cool, but it's a Boxster..it's not an early car". (Theres no pleasing us, LOL)

And the Boxster guys would say.."No AC? My wife won't let me",

A few of us would pony up, but Porsche would make no money, and worse, get no press. A supercar is as much about marketing, advertising and proving to the world the manufacturer has the "Stuff" as it is about anything else.

Would we rather they create an even larger and faster Cayenne? A Hummer beater? I think not.

[randywebb]

Back to the original direction...

We are seeing the C-GT being used as a development platform, just as the 959 was. except, this time, they are not losing money on every C-GT they sell. I will give the CEO a kudo for that one.

[Bullet Bob]

Why not do something like a 914-6 RSR. Simple, bare bones, cheap, and untouchable on straight OR curvy roads. Of course, they would have to make it look a little better. I do like the 914 looks but I am part of the minority on that one.

[Netspeed]

Originally posted by Bullet Bob
Why not do something like a 914-6 RSR. Simple, bare bones, cheap, and untouchable on straight OR curvy roads. Of course, they would have to make it look a little better. I do like the 914 looks though but I am part of the minority on that one.

Retro 914.....way cool!

[nigel911]

A Porsche adaptation of the Lotus Elise / Exige gets my vote.

2 seats, lightweight, hopefully a little more power than the Toyota engined Elise, can still have AC but everything else stripped to the bare essentials (as the original Elise was). Keep the price point relatively sharp and there is no reason the car won't sell. Maybe not as an everyday driver, but as a performance / track car / weekend toy it would be hard to beat.

The Lotus is in demand, they seem to have made a market for their product where no market existed before.

'Supercars' are great, but super cars that are not just the playthings of the 'cash no object' minority are better.

[randywebb]

You realize that P AG is involved with the forthcoming VW roadster, right? Dunno _how_ involved...

[Porschekid962]

Save your money. Gordon Murray will be coming out with his new "supercar" in the next two years. Super lightweight, na, priced like a base 911, partly sustainable and tons of fun.

If your interested in electric motor cars check out a company called Tesla in silicon valley. There has been a decent resurgence of activity there with more and more companies looking into electric motors for vehicles. Some fun developments but still a ways off.

[randywebb]

Tesla is the subject of a story on the AP Wire today. They were in various PBS documentaries some time ago. The car is to un veiled next month in Santa Monica. But it is a 100k car -- that's $$, not speed or distance...

[Wrecked944]

Is this new GT1 the same car mentioned on pages 72 - > 77 of the latest issue of Pano? There was a tantalizing blurb that said Porsche had applied for a patent for a mid engine sportscar with a FLAT EIGHT. Pano said the British mag Autocar had published pics that suggested the new car would be more like a racing version of the Cayman than a CGT...does anyody have pics or mor details?