Porsche going Nascar racing ?

rfuerst911sc · 07-12-2006, 04:57 PM

I just received the September addition of Excellence and on page 81 is a story that says Porsche may go Nascar racing in 2009 with the Panamera. They may partner with TWR to develop the chassis with Norbert Singer heading up the effort. Is this real

Doug&Julie · 07-12-2006, 05:28 PM

I saw that too! ...but it kinda reads like a joke? I can't imagine Porsche would seriously be interested?

Jim Smolka · 07-12-2006, 06:04 PM

If the story is correct, both MG and Porsche have already raced in NASCAR. Years ago, they both raced at a road course that NASCAR was sponsoring. Can anyone verify this??

84porsche · 84porsche's Garage

How would they get by the clause that the cars have to be built in the US? Even so, could you imagine a Toyota Camry the newest addition against a Porsche Panamera. Not to mention the restrictions etc, at most it would be a frame with sheet metal as all the other cars in Nascar are with the Porsche advertising.

Super_Dave_D · Super_Dave_D's Garage

First Win by a non-American Car Manufacturer: Jaguar
Jaguar was one of several European companies to make sporadic NASCAR starts in the 1950’s, along with Volkswagen, Porsche, and others. But Jaguar was the only foreign manufacturer to score a win at what is now the Nextel Cup level.

sergeshishik · sergeshishik's Garage

Toyota is already committed an in in 2007, so away with the US made comment. As far as Porsche and NASCAR, I e-mailed the Excellence editor and got this response.

"Serge! Thanks for writing!!!

It was fiction, and only a joke... not the German word
"Schwindle" at the top...."

I guess I need to brush up on my German.

cfries · cfries's Garage

Toyotas can race because they are made in USA now. My F150 was made in Canada. Domestic is foreign and foreign is domestic. Talk about a grey area.

mattr_914 · 07-12-2006, 07:42 PM

The Toyota engine is being developed in Costa Mesa CA. The chassis is being developed in the US also at TRD's new Nascar facility. And all teams are American.

Jubbie · 07-12-2006, 08:11 PM

Yeah, I once was watching some footage of a Stock Car race back in the late 60's and I'll be damn if their was not a 911 going round the track. I always wondered about the story behind that...

Heck, if Porsche does go for NASCAR I don't know if that would give hope that they are getting back into racing or even convince more that they are getting further away from the real sport.

mattr_914 · 07-12-2006, 08:29 PM

I dont see how they could go Nascar. If they go with a V8 block, its going to have to be redesigned. Porsche's advantage is in the flat six. They'll either have to open up a whole new facility in north carolina, have a team take over day to day operations like they did with ALMS, or vastly expand Porsche Motorsport North America to deal with V8s. I dont see the first or last option happening, and the cost of starting with a V8 race motor from scratch is pretty substantial. I'm not saying it cant/wont happen, its just pretty far out of the current Porsche infastructure.

jdm61 · 07-12-2006, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sergeshishik
Toyota is already committed an in in 2007, so away with the US made comment. As far as Porsche and NASCAR, I e-mailed the Excellence editor and got this response.

"Serge! Thanks for writing!!!

It was fiction, and only a joke... not the German word
"Schwindle" at the top...."

I guess I need to brush up on my German.

FYI.....Camrys are made in Georgetown, Ky.....including Camrys built for export back to Japan. In addition, they have 80% US parts content, so they are more "American" than the new Mustang, at least by the definition the government uses. As such, they qualify for NASCAR. The only screwy part is that the engine that they have been using in the truck series, is a purpose built race engine that, to the best of my knowlege, has never been used in a Toyota car or truck

rfuerst911sc · 07-13-2006, 02:39 AM

I thought the Excellence article was written as a spoof but wasn't sure that's why I posted.

Jim Smolka · 07-13-2006, 02:44 AM

So what is next? Is BMW going to enter the X5 in the NASCAR truck series?

Won · 07-13-2006, 03:02 AM

Speaking of NASCAR, Ricky Bobby... Two first names... I had a real good laugh with that ad.

They aren't gonna race Panamericana-sans-*I_CAN* in any other series anyway, so why not NASCAR? Is there a rulebook somewhere that says they can't race non 2+2 Porsches? How about Cayennes in Paris-Dakar?

Doug&Julie · 07-13-2006, 04:08 AM

What about Panamarica in DTM? It's not like it would be treading on the beloved 911 in any way...

DaveE · 07-13-2006, 04:10 AM

I think Porsche races for 3 reasons:

1. To attract the particular market. Does Porsche see potential production car sales coming from that market? I think not.

2. To sell customer race cars. Any potential in NASCAR? I think not.

3. To apply the experience to their production cars. Can they learn ANYTHING from NASCAR technology? I think not.

sithot · 07-13-2006, 05:31 AM

This is all for naught as Jim France and company are fully committed to the "Car of Tomorrow".

http://www.nascar.com/news/headlines/cup/car.of.tomorrow/index.html

One of the benefits noted was "Improved manufacturer's identity". Uh-huh?

FWIW, the old addage of "win on Sunday, sell on Monday doesn't work. People aren't buying on Monday anymore. The allegiance is to the driver no matter what he's in.

Tom

rsa · 07-13-2006, 06:06 AM

I received my Excellence mag yesterday and it did show the future nascar picture with an expected V-8 motor package. Imagine........ Montoya and Danica in a Porsche bumping and grinding on the oval. It would be about time we saw a v-8 that can kick the vette's a$$ in GT1. I'm sick of seeing only 15 minutes of Porsche coverage in ALMS in a 3 hour race.

jdm61 · 07-13-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by rsa
I received my Excellence mag yesterday and it did show the future nascar picture with an expected V-8 motor package. Imagine........ Montoya and Danica in a Porsche bumping and grinding on the oval. It would be about time we saw a v-8 that can kick the vette's a$$ in GT1. I'm sick of seeing only 15 minutes of Porsche coverage in ALMS in a 3 hour race.

All joking aside, i have a modest J. Swift type proposal to ensure Porsche's continued dominance in GT racing. Cayman GTR homologation special using either a version of the RS Spyder engine or a smaller displacement version of the Cayenne V8. V8. mid-engined Porsche GT racer.......sacrilege, yes, I know....lol. But then again, so was the water-cooled flat 6 at one time!!

armandodiaz · armandodiaz's Garage

I'd love to see Porsche in NasCar, it would give me a reason to watch Speed Chanel again, or should I call it NasCar Channel. I'm sick of seeing NasCar everytime I flip the TV over to Speed Channel.