930 vin research

[Dennis930]

Where do i start? VIN # 93078002XX
I know its a 1977 turbo carrera within the two hundred something made,but is this all 930 or USA bound only.
How do I reduce this to how many silver on red 1977 930'

WHERE DO i START???

[tonythetarga]

Yep it is a 77 930 coupe for US market 3.0 liter. Here's the break down;

930 = 930
7 = 1977
8 = Turbo US 3.0
0 = coupe
02xx = sequential build #

in the trunk under the lid are color code and options numbers.
Post those and we'll see what we can do.

Try this link first: http://www.kindel.com/porsche/options.asp

[TRE Cup]

77 would not have that white option code sticker on the car- it would be inside the owners manual

[Dennis930]

I don't have the owners manual. Now what?

[tonythetarga]

You might have to get a "certificate of Authenticity" from Porsche and when you give them the VIN, they should be able to tell you what the car came with from the factory. There is a fee and from comments seen on the board, the certificate isn't always correct. You may have to try and track down the history of the cars ownership and see what you can find out that way. No "one stop shopping" for the answers you want.

[TRE Cup]

A COA request will have to come from the owner thru the dealership. This may reinforce her belief that she really has something special and stick to an unrealistic sales price

[cellison]

There is a 930 on ebay (260013245603) that is listed as a "rare '75 homologation car #98 of 200 made". the VIN is 9306700098, so according to VIN the build it is a '76. is this a rare car 930?

Charles
88 Cab

[tonythetarga]

Originally posted by Dennis930
I don't have the owners manual. Now what?

I was making the assumption you already owned the car. Is your motivation to discover the history or find that rare bargain worth much more than your purchase price so you can flip it for profit? If it is the latter then all I can say is good luck.

[sithot]

That's a Euro "7" car. FWIW, it's a pretty sorry looking crew bidding on it. It appears that "The fix is in".

I dislike Ebay for a multitude of reasons.

Tom

[TRE Cup]

FWIW: the factory did not have a long list of options for the 77 turbo. Color to sample paint, interior choices, sport seats, limited slip, and radio/cassette (a lot of them came with Bamberg Blaupunkts that had the recording feature. Presumably for busy execs that had to get a memo while blitzing the autobahn), stripe kit were about it.

Standard USA features included black trim on the windows and door handles, two electric mirrors, sunroof, electric windows, opening rear quarter windows, air conditioning, and a few more that i don't recall at the moment.

We saw a 76 usa turbo once with no sunroof, plaid cloth inserts in the leather sport seats , aluminum trim, no passenger mirror, no air. Presumably the owner wanted the least expensive and lightest car he could get

[Dennis930]

Originally posted by tonythetarga
I was making the assumption you already owned the car. Is your motivation to discover the history or find that rare bargain worth much more than your purchase price so you can flip it for profit? If it is the latter then all I can say is good luck.

No I'm not looking to just turn a buck. I want to repair it to 100% origional, drive it only once in a while, keep it in the garage and hope it grows in value. I do have good intentions, but i don't want to get to far backwards in it. Here's why.
At the age of 15 I bought the 1956 chevy that had been in the family for many years. I didn"t know that much about cars except this one had pretty cool looking chrome wheels and i had to have it . Most of the work to it was done in the 1970's. I did everthing,425 HP 327, paint, interior, close ratio 4 speed,chrome rearend with 411 gears and the list goes on and on.
I still have this car 38 years later. sounds great right? Problem is it's a 4 door!!! I picked the wrong car to dump all that time and money into. Don't want to make that mistake again.

[Dennis930]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
FWIW: the factory did not have a long list of options for the 77 turbo. Color to sample paint, interior choices, sport seats, limited slip, and radio/cassette (a lot of them came with Bamberg Blaupunkts that had the recording feature. Presumably for busy execs that had to get a memo while blitzing the autobahn), stripe kit were about it.

Standard USA features included black trim on the windows and door handles, two electric mirrors, sunroof, electric windows, opening rear quarter windows, air conditioning, and a few more that i don't recall at the moment.

We saw a 76 usa turbo once with no sunroof, plaid cloth inserts in the leather sport seats , aluminum trim, no passenger mirror, no air. Presumably the owner wanted the least expensive and lightest car he could get

Thanks. Where do i find this info. How do i break it down to number of silver on red's?
Have you seen a 100% origional lately?

[tonythetarga]

If you are a member of the Porsche club, write a question into Pano and you might get some assistance. I think you need to find a really anal guy that judges concours events and is an 'expert' in early turbos and you might find the info you are looking for without expending funds to get your answers.
I think any 911 turbo that is restored or maintained as original is going to gain valuable in the future. Keep in mind that original unrestored in some cases is worth more that a car that has tons of cash put in it. How many of those cars do you see get sacrificed for half their invested value?? Don't go nuts on it. Drive it, maintain it, talk to people and try to fill in the blanks.

[TRE Cup]

I remember this from owning 2) 77's. What Tonythetarga said re: PCA Panorama back issues , where they did (and still do) descriptions of the new models and options. That is a good source. I don't think the had excellence magazine back then.

Your approach to keeping it original is a sound one. the car for the time being is nothing special. Yes it is unusual with its color combo so best that you find any replacement pieces you can as soon as you find them. Years from now the car will rise in value, but make sure you enjoy driving it and not keep it a garage queen

[Dennis930]

Here are some pictures of a 1971 chevy I did all the work on 6 years ago. I'm the second owner.

[Dennis930]

[Tom F2]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
FWIW: the factory did not have a long list of options for the 77 turbo. Color to sample paint, interior choices, sport seats, limited slip, and radio/cassette (a lot of them came with Bamberg Blaupunkts that had the recording feature. Presumably for busy execs that had to get a memo while blitzing the autobahn), stripe kit were about it.

Standard USA features included black trim on the windows and door handles, two electric mirrors, sunroof, electric windows, opening rear quarter windows, air conditioning, and a few more that i don't recall at the moment.

We saw a 76 usa turbo once with no sunroof, plaid cloth inserts in the leather sport seats , aluminum trim, no passenger mirror, no air. Presumably the owner wanted the least expensive and lightest car he could get

I don't think that the passenger side mirror was standard on the 77. I have a highly original one (black/lobster), with nearly complete service records. The outside mirror wiring is clearly non-original, though it uses a factory harness for the connection across the cowl area, because there are splices and a couple of the connector receptacles are missing. I have spoken with the original owner and the mechanic who serviced the car for its first 23 years, and they both say that the car always had two mirrors. My guess is that Porsche-Audi or the dealers put the passenger side mirrors in before delivery. Also, the factory sales brochure for 1977 shows just a driver's side mirror.

P.S. I have one of those incredibly complex Bambergs in this car. Where can I get it fixed?

[Tom F2]

Originally posted by Dennis930
Where do i start? VIN # 93078002XX
I know its a 1977 turbo carrera within the two hundred something made,but is this all 930 or USA bound only.
How do I reduce this to how many silver on red 1977 930'

WHERE DO i START???

The best sources of information, for me, have been the factory parts book, or "PET," the factory workshop manuals, the Paternie 911 "Redbook," and Frere's book, the "Porsche 911 Story." You can find factory sales brochures for 1977 for modest amounts on eBay. The best one is the color brochure featuring a taxi cab yellow Turbo. Phew! I have never seen a breakdown for how many cars were painted each color, however. There are just lists of color codes in these sources. Porsche had some imaginative and beautiful colors in the 70s. They kind of lost their touch color-wise in the 80s, even while they improved interior materials.

Silver/red is the second best combination, after black/red (my car) so go for it!

[sithot]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
I remember this from owning 2) 77's. What Tonythetarga said re: PCA Panorama back issues , where they did (and still do) descriptions of the new models and options. That is a good source. I don't think the had excellence magazine back then.

Volume 5 and 6 of "Upfixin der Porsche" have extensive material on the Turbo. When the Turbo was first announced it caused quite a stir and was always under a microscope.
Just imagine the curiosity over a car that cost $25,500 and was capable of 0-60 times in the low 5 second range.

Magazines: Excellence came in around '87. Christophorus has been around forever.

Good luck,

Tom

[pickupguy]

Originally posted by sithot
That's a Euro "7" car. FWIW, it's a pretty sorry looking crew bidding on it. It appears that "The fix is in".

I dislike Ebay for a multitude of reasons.

Tom

You must know everyone bidding to make that assumption. If you don't, how would you know that "FWIW, it's a pretty sorry looking crew bidding on it." I bid on that car and I wouldn't call myself "sorry". I dislike people that make assumptions without the knowledge to back it up. and no I am not 1971dblcab.

Kerry