our carreras are faster than boxters??

[85carrera]

unfortunately, i don't have more tales of fun in the driveway with my 911 targa, but a question which should get some interesting responses....


people have been asking me ALL the time esp at like gas stations and stuff..."so whats your 0-60" "how fast can it go"

so ive read somewhere that the 85 carreras can go 0-60 in 5.7 seconds??? is that true? it takes me a full second just to get the shift from 1st to 2nd down.

and as far as the top speed, ive read 149 or something. can these car, granted they 20 years old, still hit that speed safely?

BTW...IF our air-cooled wonders from the 80s really can go 0-60 in 5.7 seconds thats faster than some of the boxters out there!!!!!! RIGHT???????????


david

[Wil Ferch]

The Car & Driver 84 Carrera did mid 5's to 60 mph and did the quarter mile in 13.9 secs @ 100 mph....

Top end is like 149-150 mph at stock redline....redline is hit in 5th gear...perfect gearing too.

It was the quickest accelerating production car available in America at that time...eclipsing Ferrari's and Lambo's and the like.

Within a year Road and Track tested a Euro version ( in Europe) with pretty much the same results..and we know how aggressive the C&D boys are compared to the R&T guys.

I know, I know...people say the CD car was Euro "ringer"...but there you are....

Early Boxsters were about the same or a tad slower...later Boxsters are a tad faster.

- Wil

[450knotOffice]

That's exactly right. Some of the newer Boxsters (Boxster S for example) are quicker than your Carrera but most are not. They all handle better and I'm pretty sure most all of them are faster in terms of top speed. Our Carreras are a bit too draggy for a top speed over about 150 mph.

[Scooter]

My opinion: who cares about 0-60? Although, the Boxster S will still outperform a Carrera. What is important is acceleration between 30-100 (or so) and cornering ability, which the Boxster does a fine job.

[masraum]

The 3.2L cars are technically quicker to 60 than most of the boxsters, but to actually do that is really hard on the car. Top speed in my '88 was 150. I let off when the rpms were 6200, but it was still slowly climbing, so potentially I may have gotten a couple more mph out of her if I had kept going.

I'd be surprised if boxsters didn't handle and stop better than pre-'89 911s.

THe difference between the two is relatively small and so in the real world would probably be determined by the driver.

[Scooter]

I agree and disagree Steve. The difference in handling and stopping between a Carrera and a Boxster is night and day. I've had both, so I do have some experience with each. I do agree that it has a lot to do with the driver in any car. But, car for car, the Boxster is much faster in corners and braking in much better than a stock Carrera.

That being said, the 911 is much more engaging than the Boxster, which is why many people prefer the 911 over the Boxster.

[Porsche_Daddy]

Road and track got a 13.7 @ 102 quarter out of a 2003 boxster S. 0-60 was 5.3 seconds. Porsche says the top speed of my car is 164 mph. The newer 05 and 06 S's will do mid 13's and 5 sec flat to 60. It sounds like from an acceleration standpoint your car would be comparable to the base 2.7L boxsters but their top speed is slightly higher.

[IROC]

One of my best friends has a bone stock 2001 Boxster S. He and I have messed around a bit (in a totally safe environment). My '76 911 has a 245hp 3.2, modified suspension, brakes, etc. and only weighs about 2400 lbs. It's all I can do to keep up with him. All out drag race to about 70mph or so is essentially a dead heat. He can take me in the corners, though. That Boxster is good.

The newer cars are just very good cars.

Mike

[Brant]

I echo many of the above comments.
the new cars are just freakin good

a buddy is a decent driver in his early 2.5 boxter and does DE stuff with it on STREET TIRES (all stock, except the bolt on muffler)

his lap times on multiple tracks are nothing to be ashamed of
better than most early 911's and not that much slower than my race car...

Dang fast! and at half the price that I have into my race car

[masraum]

Originally posted by Scooter03
I agree and disagree Steve. The difference in handling and stopping between a Carrera and a Boxster is night and day. I've had both, so I do have some experience with each. I do agree that it has a lot to do with the driver in any car. But, car for car, the Boxster is much faster in corners and braking in much better than a stock Carrera.

That's what I said, the boxster should stop and handle better than the pre-964 911s.

I'd be surprised if boxsters didn't handle and stop better than pre-'89 911s.

[Scooter]

Hey Steve. The only differing opinion I had was your comment that the differences between the two were reletively small. I believe the differences are quite large. Important to note that I whole-heartedly agree with you driver comment.

[masraum]

Ah, sorry, now I get it.

[450knotOffice]

I'll add some real world experience to that. My car's suspension is completely new and features some good upgrades - the usual stuff. Bigger T-bars, Bilstein Sports, new bushings, good alignment and perfect corner balance, etc. Last year I ran with about 30+ cars over Mulholland and the surrounding, very tight roads. My car handled great and I'd say I was about the seventh car in line. Jack O and Tyson were gone, as was a guy in a nice Mitsu Evo. But leading our little pack was a guy in a Boxster. Behind him was another Carrera and them me. The guy in the Boxster looked like he was having a leisurly Sunday drive out there while the rest of us in the old 911's were really working hard to stay up. If had he wanted to, he could've left us in the dust, I'm sure of it.

I came away very impressed with the Boxster's handling abilities.

[Carrera3.5L]

Originally posted by IROC
My '76 911 has a 245hp 3.2, modified suspension, brakes, etc. and only weighs about 2400 lbs. It's all I can do to keep up with him. Mike

Sounds to me like you need to verify your power claims on a dyno or add some more power as my car is slightly quicker than an "S" with a rolling start to 90 mph before backing down and I weigh another 200+ lbs. more than you..

The same "test" on the same road finds me just a smidgeon (and I mean smidgeon) in front of a 320 hp 996 C4S and they weigh another 400 lbs or so more than me...

If only the Carrera weighed 2,200 lbs...

Ralph

[Dixie]

I tell people my 911 does 0-to-60 in 2 seconds, and the top speed is 256mph. Sure, I'm lying through my teeth. But so is their buddy claiming his Honda Civic DX pulls 9's in the quarter because it's got a giant wing hung over the trunk.

Hey, They feel stoked when they walk off sayin'. "See, I told you those Porsches are fast!"

[BK911]

I had my stock 86 Carrera maxed out at 145 mph at Summit Point. She just couldn't accelerate any more. I was passing all the Boxsters there, but I am sure my awesome driving skills helped.

[ruf-porsche]

Originally posted by BK911
I had my stock 86 Carrera maxed out at 145 mph at Summit Point. She just couldn't accelerate any more. I was passing all the Boxsters there, but I am sure my awesome driving skills helped.

NAh those wimps in the Boxsters didn't want to be around you when you wipe out.

[IROC]

Originally posted by Carrera3.5L
Sounds to me like you need to verify your power claims on a dyno or add some more power as my car is slightly quicker than an "S" with a rolling start to 90 mph before backing down and I weigh another 200+ lbs. more than you..

Well, I'm guessing on the power... 3.2, 10.3:1 compression, SSIs, Triad exhaust, SteveW chip. Maybe I don't have anywhere near 245hp.

My experience kinda makes sense, though. The Boxster S is what, 252 hp (not sure about the torque) and I think it's gearing is a little better than mine (I have 275/40-17s in the rear which sap some of my acceleration).

Mike

[ficke]

Boxster's are easier to drive fast, and more people can drive Boxsters faster than most air cooled 911's. but not as much fun to drive fast as an early 911 and of course in my opinion the higher strung, smaller engine 911's add to the fast drive experience even more.
Generaly speaking if someone ask how fast it goes they do not have a clue, I usally give them a made up # , then they can mentaly rank my car to other cars by #'s.
And if #'s were everthing we would all drive shifter karts, but that would be a little cold, wet and rough riding and might get old on I-5 for any length of time.

[450knotOffice]

Ralph, the 996C4S is quite a bit more than 400 pounds heavier than yours. The car is a pig because it has the Turbo body and suspension along with the all-wheel drive system. The weight I've seen for them is 1495 kg, which equals about 3290 lbs. Doesn't your car weigh about 2600 pounds or so? That's more like 700 pounds lighter.

Funny thing is the C4S is the slowest (relative term, I know) of the NA 996's due to its weight and fatter body.