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[mb911]

Ok BAE guys and gals. I have ok'd this with wayne so don't worry.

I have gotten what I consider the best quotes thus far for reproducing the big BAE boot. What i want to know is how many would be interested in this. The smaller boot is easily available anywhere but the large one is no way now how until now. Cost depends on how many want one. These will be demensionally like the original but will be constructed way nicer. Costs again will range from 150-200 for this boot but this depends on how many folks want one it could get much much cheaper. Please speak up this is your chance to get a new one

[tsuter]

I would get both made. There is some visual value to having matching boots. When you see BAE kits up for sale I've always said the two boots are worth $200-300.
I'm surprised they aren't sold thru PP Parts....
If they are as good as the silicone TIP on my 1.8T, I'd buy them....but I'd want the set.
Red silicone.

[911 tweaks]

I am having a brain freeze...even though I have been following your low boost turbo kit since the begining...what is BAE = Big Ass Engine?? or what? Show a picture of old/stk and what you propose...hell if it is good enough a/o looks good enough, I'll buy one based on that...but, would kinda like to know what I am buying.
thanks...

[mb911]

Originally posted by tsuter
I would get both made. There is some visual value to having matching boots. When you see BAE kits up for sale I've always said the two boots are worth $200-300.
I'm surprised they aren't sold thru PP Parts....
If they are as good as the silicone TIP on my 1.8T, I'd buy them....but I'd want the set.
Red silicone.

well that is the ultimate plan. I will see what the quote is for the second boot

[mb911]

here is the picture of the BAE kit and boots we are talking about

[tsuter]

BAE = Bob's Automotive Engineering. Fomerly of Torrance, CA. Unfortunately Bob is dead. Killed in a home built ultralite. The BAE kits for SCs were a reaction to the "last" 930 in 1979. Most installs were done in 1980-83 or so in CA and yes HI.
I was in Hawaii from 79-83 and Steve Collins (of Automotive Engineering on Cooke) and I had three sub 13.0s cars all with BAEs in the Magnum PI series. Go review the old tapes...look for stills and motions of black and yes... yellow Porsches around Tom Sellecks red Ferrari.

[mb911]

not the black 911 going off of the cliff?????????

[RickM]

Originally posted by 911 tweeks
I am having a brain freeze...even though I have been following your low boost turbo kit since the begining...what is BAE = Big Ass Engine?? or what? Show a picture of old/stk and what you propose...hell if it is good enough a/o looks good enough, I'll buy one based on that...but, would kinda like to know what I am buying.
thanks...

Here's some additional background and info..... 911 SC BAE turbo article & Info

[RickM]

My question: Would it be possible to make the boots out of a material such as Dow Cornings 3120 RTV Silicone? It even comes in red .

[Roaddawg]

I'll will take one of each, Large boot and small boot!

[mb911]

Originally posted by RickM
My question: Would it be possible to make the boots out of a material such as Dow Cornings 3120 RTV Silicone? It even comes in red .

I have not seen colors or material specs yet but when We have more then 2 guys that say they want em we will proceed

[RickM]

I guess my point was that 3120 is easily attainable, relatively inexpensive and you could manufacture the parts yourself. Just food for thought.

[mb911]

thought about that and we discussed it but the molds would be the issue(was seeing numbers of 3-4000grand and how much money do I want to personally stick out there?? I have got about 10 grand wrapped up in the rest of the kits so I feel that is all we are going out on a limb right now on for a hand full of kits.

[cord68]

I dont now if this site can help or not but i recently got a dvd from them about mould making for silicon and other products. its like most things looks easer than probaly is.

http://www.freemansupply.com/

[RickM]

The molds I've used for casting metals like pewter, tin, antimony and lead were made by me using this stuff. I'm not saying this product is the same as you plan to use or that it will work but I know it to be quite flexible and has the ability to withstand high temps and retain very fine detail.

I would think that using a pair as masters a mold could be made relatively easily.

Not trying to steal your thunder, just offering a potential lower cost solution that you have more control over.

[Facey]

ben i will be a spiteful person when this kit comes out..... unless u wanna fab up some "boots" for carbs....

actually.... i could probably sell the carbs to help (mostly?) pay for an EFI setup..... interesting..... but out of the question for the next year. (period)

i really hope some other people chime in here, i think the various parts you are making are great, and a wicked alternative to the hugely overcharging super porsche tuners.

come on guys, he is looking @ making a turbo kit for the sc years!!!! who doesn't want 300+hp for cheap.... and u know the craftmans ship would be excellent.

[tsuter]

Originally posted by mb911
not the black 911 going off of the cliff?????????

Nope, not mine. There were about eight guys with cars and the shoot director would call this one guy and he'd tell us where to meet. Usually just drive the cars by a hotel or club or at a beach somewhere and park them for background when the Ferraris came in or out. Not many motion shots. I wish there were digital cameras back then....
They used two Ferrari 308s. One for the still shots that was kept clean and one for the motions that was a beater. Red of course.....

But back to the thread.

Yes, I will take a set of Boots. So make both sides.... Intake Air Sensor Boot and Throttle Body Boot.

[IlMostro]

I've set-up silicon molding equipment, and made a lot of prototypes this way. To do it right you need a vacuum chamber which costs some money. The big boot is a pretty good size part, the materials you'd use are significant. And then there's the learning curve. A boot like shown wouldn't be the easiest part to start with. There's a big core, and a pretty thin wall. If the core sags or moves you'll have a part with a hole in it. for a 1st timer, to make a mold the 1st time that is good is not very easy. Once you have a good mold, to silicon mold a part without void, bubbles, etc is another challenge.

Silicon molding is a great tool, and it would work for this part, but to make this particular part successfully would NOT be simple.

Best Regards,
Daryl

[911pcars]

The silicone slab that Rick shows in his photo is probably the thickness to use. Even with "only" 5-6 lbs of boost, thinner wall thickness will blow up like a balloon. The factory intake boots are ribbed on the outside for rigidity; that would be a good feature as well. A positive clamping arrangement is also needed so it doesn't slip off the air intake.

A mold to mass produce a boot isn't cheap to fabricate, but if there's a market, the cost is amortized... eventually.

My $.02
Sherwood

[patkeefe]

I think I'd want them configured a bit differently (intercooler, perhaps)