Hi - new 911 project owner checking in
 

Hi everyone SmileWavy My first 911 was delivered today. Please don't hate me, I'm a 914 guy, but always loved the early 911 lines. I bought a 71 911 T that has been sitting in a pole barn for 7 + years because of a bad fuel pump.

The car has some rust issue but not that bad for Indiana car. Will need to redo brakes and remove all critters and a bunch of other stuff, but I hope to have it on the road by end of 2007. I plan to driver her for a while, then do the body work. I'm in the middle of a body restoration of my 914 so the 911 will have to wait for a little while, but not to long I hope. I must warn you I will have A LOT of dumb questions as I do this project. Thanks for looking -

Garold

This is what my $2500 got me into - :D http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725414.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725440.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725452.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725464.jpg [img]

a few more pictures :D
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725613.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725623.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161725637.jpg

Shhh. You'll wake the mice. I'd like to be buried in a 911 as well.

Good luck with your project. This board can hold your hand the whole way through. And remember: the Search button is your friend.

Ian

Welcome, you got in for a great price provided you don't find much rust. Those here will be more than glad to help you along.

1st upgrade: Replace the umbrella with a cut off broom handle!

killer price - that's down in parts car territory

you'll have a lot of fun if you enjoy projects

keep it away from the salt and away the smoke from Gary (if there's still any air pollution there...)

That seems like a good deal to me.
enjoy your new project.

Garold-
Welcome to the 911 side....If you ever need an extra hand...or some to just watch while you work let me know....well maybe not if but when.
It looks like it will be a fun project.
Brian

Garold,

Congratulations and welcome to the Forum.SmileWavy
You will find a lot of help here.

Your first order of business is to assess what you found. While a good deal, you need to be brutally cruel with yourself assessing the Targa’s needs. We can help.

A ’71 911T Targa is a great car and yours looks fairly original (body mods excepted). You can refresh the mods or take it back to original, your choice. As you indicated, rust is the biggest issue. Find and document every bit that is apparent. The Forum can help direct you to where it isn’t obvious but very important.

Probably every system in your 35-year old 911T will need attention to some degree or another. The art is to identify the most critical first. Whatever you fix, do it right. One of the 911 Forum members has a signature line: “If you don’t have time (or money) to do it right the first time, where are you going to find the time (or money) to do it over again?” The parentheses are mine. I will second that admonition.:D

I agree with Randy (Pelican randywebb), keep it dry and away from the elements. Once you have gone through the 911, part of what you will do is arrest further rust propensity. Right now it is ready to rust more and quickly.:eek:

Keep the pictures coming.

Please post some links to your 914 and SCCA car.

Best,
Grady:)

SWEEEET...lot of potential there...welcome and have fun...

Thanks everyone, its going to be fun. Here a few pictures of my 914.

After my clinch of 1st in DSP for 2005 in my SCCA region
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161741095.jpg

Test run with new AX trailer hitch setup
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161741223.jpg

As it sits today, getting ready for minor rust repair and paint.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161741363.jpg

Brian anytime you want to stop by is fine with me. I know next to nothing about a 911 (for now), so I am open to any on site pointers. :)

Filter thru this thread for some things to get started on...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289796&highlight=mandat ory

Good Luck!

Good price, good project. I'd start by removing the seats and carpet and get a better look at the rust. Might as well pull the engine, too and see what you're dealing with there. What fun!

Regards,

well so it has the carrera tail and wording, but in 71 there were no carrera's right? so are those just vinyl decas that can be pulled off? or would you all suggest something else? or am i wrong?

Iwantone,

Where are you in Colorado? Perhaps you can join us at
Pelican & PCA gatherings & events.
You are more than welcome.SmileWavy

Judging by your screen-name, I assume you are looking
for a Porsche. We can help. If not yet, you are welcome
to participate and learn.

Best,
Grady :)

(Only slight hijack) :D

Im In Highlands Ranch. Well I got one now, but don't know how to change the name from iwantone to I gotone ?
I'd be in for some evnts sure let me know...

What a sweet deal and great price regardless of any rust!!!!!! You guys back east seem to come across some great "barn finds". Out here in "Caulifornia" as the Gov calls it everything's been discovered and barns are almost non-exsistent. Do you know any more about the history of the car? At one time somebody really took good care of it........

Dirty Marty
Fallbrook Ca.



70 911T

Iwantone,

E-mail me at gradyclayathotmaildotcom.
I live east of DU, nearish I-25 & Yale.

You can change your screen name. Contact one of the moderators.

Best,
Grady

The only history I know is the past owner bought it at a car auction. He drove it off and on for 2yrs then it started having fuel pump issues. Now 7yrs later it sits in my driveway all covered up waiting its turn for a restoration.

Looks like I have a few books to read on 911 restoration.

From what I have read here it looks like the PO was going for the 73 RS look? I like it. :cool:

Gerold,

Another Pelican with a new-to-him 2.2T emailed me some questions. My reply is equally applicable to you.


"Congratulations on your 911T and welcome to the Porsche world. You will have a lot of fun.

You will find Pelican as a hotbed of DIY modifications. The primary reason is we have all learned so much since Porsche built your car in ’69-’70. Not only did Porsche fix many issues that somehow passed engineering review, but much has been learned from racing and simply dealing with our now almost 40-year old cars. The good news is they can be better than new. Nothing like 20-20 hindsight.

“1 - The gas tank has surface rust inside. I know you
don't like tanks to be treated with chemicals so would
you recommend just cleaning it with a pressure washer?
Since the surface rust has started, is it best to buy
a repro tank from Pelican? I think the tiny rust
particles are clogging up my mesh filter.”

Internal coating the fuel tank is much less of an issue with a ’73 and earlier tank than the ’73.5 and later CIS tanks. The reason is the early tanks don’t have internal baffles or a “swirl pot” that can be restricted by the coating.

For your purpose, it is probably sufficient to clean the tank and the screen filter.

“2 - The car has a return line from the pump to the
tank. If I used a Holly pump later...could I just
plug up the return hole in the tank (whether I end up
using my existing tank or the new one...)”

Yes you can.

There is a better solution than running the original “dead head” fuel supply to the back. It is reasonable to use a circulating fuel circuit that keeps cool fuel at the carburetor needle & seat inlets. Check this thread: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/205823-weber-fuel-recirculation-questions.html

I think your ‘70T has the unused fuel return pipe already in the tunnel. You have the very desirable front mounted fuel pump (that Porsche mistakenly moved to the rear in ’71-’76.) You can plumb your fuel circuit with an in-line fuel pump (lower pressure version of a CIS pump) and CIS fuel filter at the front suspension cross member and then the bypass type pressure regulator in the return circuit.

The reason for this effort is to help prevent too hot fuel at the carburetor. After heat soak, the hot fuel can flash to vapor at the needle & seat causing poor running on hot start. This in turn can lead to backfire in the intake and carburetor fires and worse.

An additional “fix” to reduce this issue is to install phenolic spacers between the intake manifolds and the cylinder heads as Porsche did with the ‘71 911T (currently available from PMO.) It takes slightly longer studs that attach the manifolds to the heads. I use two spacers at each head (2 spacers, 3 gaskets) for even better insulation and more extreme measures on my carbureted race engines.


“3. The car "pops" out of the exhaust. Based on the
forum...this is a "lean" issue. Could the fact that
the fuel flow is being restricted by the rust
particles be causing the lean state?”

Yes, this can be from a lean running condition. If so the first place to look is a restricted idle gas jet from a piece of dirt.

Another likely cause is a pin-hole leak in the exhaust system. This usually is at a head-to-heat exchanger gasket or heat exchanger-to-muffler gasket. It can also be in the muffler (very common with aftermarket mufflers).


Some other issues you should be aware of are:
A) You may have hard rubber chain ramps (guides) in the engine. Those should be replaced with the current plastic ramps. If a piece of the old ramp comes off and goes through the cam timing chain, the cam jumps timing and bad things happen. This is a DIY procedure and can be accompanied with a chain tensioner and idler sprocket support up-date. There is mild controversy as to which later chain tensioner to use. My choice is the “Turbo” version from the early ‘80s with collapse protection. Some others are proponents of the more recent “Carrera” version.

B) Your transmission has what Porsche calls a “simplified” differential. There was an up-date in ’71 that prevents total failure. You should research this. The up-date is relatively easy DIY.

C) The attachment method between the front strut and the ball joint was up-dated in ’72 and used since on all 911s. It is prudent to inspect this for any looseness or corrosion. If/when the opportunity arises you should apply these later parts. These are front struts, ball joints and wedge pins that replaces the pinch bolts.

D) While this is more appropriately long-term maintenance, it is wise to replace the brake master cylinder and all four flex hoses with new original parts. Just for safety."

Enjoy.

BTW, I like your 914. Good one.

Best,
Grady

Congratulations on the car, great deal. Not quite RS look. Flares are too big and bumpers have a late style look. It seems more of an update w/ a wider look maybe IROC. I really like the look on the front flare, not turbo, but enough to fit an extra inch or two. Cannot see the rear flares well enough but they seem a bit smaller then a turbo also.