Look! New awsome small intercooler.

[quattrorunner]

Is this a viable intercooler or is it in addition to your current cooler already installed? I just can't see it replacing the bigger air to air coolers. I couldn't find any data.

http://www.lindseyracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=HP

[Ken911]

it's cooled by WATER not much help in an air cooled car

[Gordo2]

Interesting design.

Could have it's own water circuit...

Would want to see some empirical data on actual cooling properties/application results before purchasing though.

Gordo

[Ken911]

right and to cool the water you need a radiator the size of a normal intercooler

[Gordo2]

Originally posted by Ken911
right and to cool the water you need a radiator the size of a normal intercooler

Not sure it would need to be as big as an intercooler, (heat transfer properties of air vs. water).

l was thinking of the benefit to being able to offset the radiator vice having a large intercooler directly on top of the engine (like up in the 2nd opening of the old turbo tails).

Gordo

[Ken911]

and then a pump to circulate the water, the heat transfer wouldn't be any better because you still have to cool the radiator with air

[MotoSook]

You can cool the water with several different methods and circulate through that cooler, but the problem will be cooling the air in that cooler. It will never be as efficient as a traditional air-air cooler or the water-air coolers using a radiator type core.

It will provide some level of cooling, but you may be disappointed in a high pressure system.

[greglepore]

I looked at these when I was thinking IC b/c I wanted to keep my air w/o relocating the condesnsor. The ones that flow enough for a 3.2 are pricey-the little ones are for 4 cyl apps. The advantage is that you can put a small radiator and electric pump anywhere.

[Wil Ferch]

I think this thread's title is a bit misleading...there is really nothing new here.

The "how it works" text simply describes what one would call a "counter-flow, air-to-water heat exchanger"....

I industry there are all kinds of heat-exhangers,....from plate/fin to tube type to shell& tube, etc, etc...each with a different set of +/- tradeoffs as to surface area, approach temps, etc etc.....


- Wil

[quattrorunner]

Sorry for the missleading name of the thread. But did you look?

I wanted to get some additional input, which I am getting, Thanks.

I wonder when they will give some data as to how efficient it is. I like the idea of two coolers in series to avoid heat soak. And I like the idea of something not taking the length of the bay( l like the look of the 911 engine)

[Lukesportsman]

Many of the forced induction supercharged OEM appications are running something of similar theory though application is different. They can be quite efficient in a street/drag type of situation in which you spend more time off boost as on boost. It would require a similar radiator and a reserve tank.

The efficiency over a short period can exceed air/air, though you need cool down time or a large system for continuous application. Great for burst of power, but capacity issues in a track application without periods of off boost flow.

AFCO sells a very efficient design for about $400 that could be mounted in all sorts of locations. Ford has also offered a cost effective source for pumps and tanks. Totally depends on the application but guys are pushing much higher boost levels on Cobra Mustangs than any Air cooled Porsche would attempt. Efficiency of these air/water systems have remained quite high in the 700+hp range.

I have contemplated the air/water blasphemy as a way to keep the IC under the duck. There was a 993 turbo add on that used this concept.

[RallyJon]

Originally posted by Ken911
it's cooled by WATER not much help in an air cooled car

Now THAT'S funny!

[quattrorunner]

I like the idea of putting a small radiator which cools the intercooler in the front in the front mount oil cooler spot. Puts more weight up front to equal thing a bit.

[beepbeep]

It's nothing else but a variation on air/water intecooler theme. Nice packaging but probably bad efficiency.

It probably works. But you do need a radiator and coolant circuit.

[quattrorunner]

Well, I won't buy it till I see some results or data.