2.2 Rear Window Decals

[Phil Y]

This is a two part question for originality experts. My 2.2 rear window decal needs to be replaced before I get my windows tinted (bright, hot Hawaiian sun, you know!). I've only been able to find decals with red/orange numbers on a silver background on eBay. My original decal has gold numbers on a lighter gold background, so,

-Were there different decals for T, E and S models in 70-71?

-Anyone know where I can get a gold/gold 2.2 decal?

As always, thanks to all the great people on this forum!!

[Phil Y]

Bump. Anyone? Here's a visual of my current decal (you can see why it needs to be replaced):



And here's the one available (still) on eBay:



Same questions as my original post. Any help will be appreciated.

[Zeke]

Look on the Early S Registryhome page. I think they have some.

[ttweed]

The official Porsche Classic website is showing this sticker as one of the "New Editions" parts for the early cars. It should be available thru the dealer. Part no. is 911 701 102 00

Look here.

HTH,
TT

[Phil Y]

Am beginning to suspect that my dark gold on lighter gold decal is pretty rare. Have not found it anywhere (including overseas restoration sites) and 911 701 102 00 is the red-orange on gray one. Since I've owned the car since it was about six months old, I guess my first question has been answered: YES--at least for the 70 model year, the S had gold/gold 2.2 decal rather than red-orange/gray one.

Second question still remains: Where do I find a replacement?

[Zeke]

As a "new edition," I don't think that validates two different versions of the decal. You say you've owned the car all long. What fading has occured? Any color change? I have limited experience wth inks, etc. but some more with paints. Sometimes a red can fade to a "gold" in certain mediums. I wonder a little more about the background than I do about the red part.

I guess you saw the place I was referring to on the S Reg: http://www.skaraborgsflyg.com/Engelsk/dekaler.htm I found it not on the home page, though, as I had suggested.

[Phil Y]

Milt,

Yep, saw it. The decal was never red/gray to the best of my fading memory. If the red faded to dark gold, why would the gray fade to lighter gold? Believe it's been gold all along--will check some vintage photos of my car to be certain.

[ttweed]

Originally posted by Phil Y
Believe it's been gold all along--will check some vintage photos of my car to be certain.

I have never seen one of those stickers in gold/gold color. I would vote with Milt for fading having effected the original, but if you come up with some vintage picture of a new 1970 with a gold/gold sticker, I will have learned something new.

AFAIK, the "New Editions" one is a factory reissue of the original sticker, color and all.

TT

[Phil Y]

Tom, I searched but could only come up with one photo, circa 1970:


Unfortunately, as you can see this unretouched photo is fading and not very clear. Here's the decal portion, enhanced as best I could do it. Not very clear, but there is a hint of gold with absolutely no red-orange showing--of course, photo inks could have faded as easily as decal ink althought the taillights and red license plate sticker still look red/orange):



What do you think? If someone has some photoshopping skills, I can email the top photo for manipulation.

[70SATMan]

I remember a discussion on the S Reg. about this same subject. It concerned the Steve Mcqueen S in LeMans. In the movie the numbers looked yellow. Maybe gold? There is also the 700 mile 70S found last year. Anyone seen the decal on that car?

Unfortunately even though my Marken decal survived, my 2.2 decal did not. Phil, what is your VIN? Maybe it's a date thing? I personally like the gold/gold. Maybe I will look in my 71 parts list to see if they are listed. Never looked that up before.

[Phil Y]

Michael,

I searched the S Reg bd without success. My VIN is 9110300100, so easy that I've memorized it! My Marken decal is for 69 only, confirming (as does VIN) that this is the 100th 70S built. Any info you can provide will be appreciated! Glad you confirmed that my memory is NOT fading, unlike my old photos.

[ttweed]

Originally posted by Phil Y
Not very clear, but there is a hint of gold with absolutely no red-orange showing--of course, photo inks could have faded as easily as decal ink althought the taillights and red license plate sticker still look red/orange):

What do you think?

Phil-

I agree that there is no hint of orange in that pic, and can understand your doubts about what the factory may have done in the early 2.2 production--many small details were changed on these cars, often without documentation. It is entirely possible that they began the run with a different decal than they ended with. I can think of another scenario, though, that would explain what you are seeing, namely, that UV radiation is very destructive, and it is largely dependent on the exposure and angle of incidence of the sun's rays. If the car was parked outside during the daytime, and since the rear window is so horizontal, allowing the sun to strike it at a nearly 90-degree angle, fading is going to proceed much more quickly than on a decal placed on a vertical surface.

I have had red silkscreened stickers fade to white in a year, when exposed directly like that. It probably depends greatly on the quality of the ink used, and whether there are any UV filters mixed into it. It is possible that the factory started out with a gold/gold decal and then changed design or suppliers or something, but it is also possible that the first decals they used faded very quickly, due to UV damage, and they adjusted for that when it was recognized that they weren't holding up well, by changing suppliers, inks or adding UV filters or something.

Your best bet is that someone who had a new '70 at the time can confirm that they did indeed come with a gold/gold sticker at some time. Someone like Grady Clay, who has been around these cars forever, may remember, or one of the other oldtimers here or on the Early S forum. I do know that the 713-mile 1970S that was recently "discovered" has an orange 2.2 sticker, but it may have been later production and things changed, who knows?

[70SATMan]

My 70 is early too with the 69 only Marken decal.

Anyone know the vin on the 713 mile 70? That definitely confirms the decal for that period of time in the production line.

I also remember from the McQueen discussion the possibility that it was a very early 70 because the door handles looked like 69s. The factory pictures of the 70S stripper version for homologation definitely has the 69 handles. Anything is possible I guess. I'll have to go digging through my books and photos again.

Still think the yellow on gold or grey is a neat look.

[70SATMan]

Originally posted by Phil Y
Michael,

I searched the S Reg bd without success. My VIN is 9110300100, so easy that I've memorized it! My Marken decal is for 69 only, confirming (as does VIN) that this is the 100th 70S built. Any info you can provide will be appreciated! Glad you confirmed that my memory is NOT fading, unlike my old photos.

Phil,

3 links with some good info and discussion.

Slate Grey Le Mans "S" Revisited

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7983&highlight=mcqueen+mans

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10624&highlight=mcqueen+mans

My build date per the COA is 1/70. My VIN is 9110300735

Reviewing one of the threads the handle issue might be from several cars used for the shoot or mistaken identity with McQueen's personal car which was a 69S.

[Phil Y]

Michael,

Thanks. My VIN is correct based upon the little plate inside the trunk, but it appears to be identical to yours, minus the last three digits. Oh well! Anyway, thanks for the threads--the last one confirms that there is at least one other person who is convinced that this decal was gold/gold at sone point in time.

Think I'll try to "restore" rather than replace it.