Project Eat Porsche...

I thought you all might like to check out the following link. I correspond with other mustang owners on stangnet.com(because I just purchased a 2000 GT), and I noticed it. The guy is building a really nice car, but I think it is unfair to compare what he is building with a stock 87 porsche 911 Targa.
http://eatporsche.stangnet.com/

Bill

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William Armentrout
1973 911T
2.7 carerra rs specs
www.geocities.com/william_armentrout

that guy is an idiot!!!
It would be an even match if his friend were to do the same thing to the porsche, but than the porsche wouldnt need it. I believe based on price and quantity that the ford mustang is a cheap wannabe,socalled sportscar
(applies to those that buy one for that particular reason). It's funny to see what this guys has to put on this mustang so that he can feel he can match with a porsche 911.

I hope the porsche takes him, but then there always be excuses if it does.

It's nice to be the benchmark isn't it. I've always believed that a car should be true to itself. Making a car do something that it was not designed for is extremely expensive if you do it right. Twin turbo old mustang with no intercooler street hero. Oh boy. This guy is gonna learn a lot of things the hard way. By the time he is done the money and time could have got him a killer 930, which is apparently what he really wants out of a car in the first place.

How dare someone try to have fun with a car other than a 911! What a moron!! What an idiot!! He may *think* he is having fun, and he may *think* is enjoying his hobby, but he is clearly delusional because those things (fun and enjoyment) are not possible with any car other than an old 911, as we all know.
He doesn't *really* want a modified Mustang, what he really wants is a 911, like everyone else in the world. Hopefully he wakes up and realizes this soon.

Mustangs haven't been cheap, except in build quality, and paint quality--especially metallics, for a number of years! The last 'pace car' version was over $30,000, and that was five or six years ago! The current 'hotrod' is the Cobra 'R' model at over $55,000, so the Ford camp has its' share of loonies with more money than brains!!!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

I agree with Jim T, if he wants to do this then why should we judge him.

I too have major reservations about the lack of intercooling, I really hope he changes his mind otherwise he must surely get detonation or will have to run low low boost.

Either way, I think it is pretty cool that he feels the 911 is the benchmark to beat, better that than a Subaru Imprezza WRX (oh no, not that again!).

Cam

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Cameron Baudinet
1975 911S

I am the idiot (I was browsing the web logs just now after work...)

It WILL be intercooled. Apparently the wording I chose was not the best. I stated "I would fit something together after the engine was installed.". Meaning that I would design the intercooler piping then, instead of trying to fit the piping and intercooler designed for a different car. Idiotic?

As for fair fight... the owner of the 911 is already well underway modifying his car, with plans for a twin turbo himself.

Its supposed to be all in fun. I take a lot of abuse from the 911 owner for my choice of transportation.

I had my first drive in his car the other day at a Solo II event. It was great.

Racing without rivalries is boring.

Now feel free to make fun of me.

Bye.

If you put it on the net and openly challenge another make then you're gonna get flamed. Like I said, this guy is gonna learn a few lessond the hard way. It's his money and time. Do you really need a twin turbo small block V8 to beat a Carrera?
Obviously you can have fun with any kind of car, it just sounds like he's trying to make the Mustang into a better Porsche than the '87.

Got beat to the post. Now I understand the twin turbo deal. Modifying the 911 is kind of an important point left out don't you think?



[This message has been edited by RarlyL8 (edited 09-07-2000).]

OH BOY!! Here we go again why,why,this second class citizens, insist in compare those things to our CARS,sorry REAL CARS, anyways built them and bring them down to south florida will race them.....

I have an interest in TT V8's, but I doubt the power will ever get to the ground in that car.

As I watched the Vintage race down here last year, I laughed ever time this lowered "69" camaro came lumbering around the hair pin with it's tires squealing (doing some fishtailing). Most of the 911's took it effortlessly smooth.

I like smooth....smooth is good.

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Hey fellas - I figured it out. Mustang is Canadian for Porsche, eh?

Ha! Nice one Greg. Don't listen to these guys; they just dig 911's a lot...rightly so, but naturally nothing is perfect.
I like your attitude. Like you say, it's your car, you can do what you want with it- and it has a sense of history to you which is very valuable. I hope it comes out how you want, especially after all the research you have put into making it a good one.

You will need to do a lot more before you can seriously dream of taking on a Porsche though.......
(sorry, just couldn't help myself!)

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'72 911 TE

Greg

Sorry about the intercooling misunderstanding. Hell, I figure it will be cool when you're done (I guess that is a funny). If I lived in the US, I'd sure wanna go for a ride.

Cam

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Cameron Baudinet
1975 911S

When all is said and done...It's still a Mustang.

Greg,

You may want to revise those specs for the US-delivered 84' Carrera, although the 87’ Carrera is a slightly different car again, which I have explained below.

All US market 3.2 Carreras were de-tuned until 86’, when Porsche had to conform to stricter worldwide emission regulations; when everyone got the same engine.

So, in 1984, a stock 3.2 intended for the US market produced 200bhp @ 5,900rpm, and according to Car&Driver, accelerated to 60mph in 5.3 (100km/h - 5.7), and hit a top speed of 149mph. The weight you have quoted is correct, although in my humble opinion, a little heavy for a 911.

All Euro spec 3.2's between 1983-85’ produced 231bhp @ 5,900rpm; these engines ran on leaded fuel.

Your friend's 87' 3.2, stock, produces 214bhp, and will have the newer, better G50 transmission, but whether this has any bearing on the results of the duel remains to be seen.

Well, good luck Greg, you're gonna need it!


Matt H.
www.holscope.com/74Carrera

Hope he blows a rod!

I don't know. I'm glad to see someone spending like a Porsche owner to try and get up to the base level of a Porsche. Why not just buy your friend's 911, and rivet on some Mustang sheetmetal?

Of course, you're right: competition and hobbies are good things. The Mustang is a fine car with a lineage that stretches back a long way.

Everyone, I guess, should have the car that they want.

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Jack Olsen
1973 911 T sunroof coupe

[This message has been edited by JackOlsen (edited 09-07-2000).]

Guys, guys,
Leave this Greg alone, he is not an idiot. He loves his car and wants to make it (immensely) better. What's wrong with that?
Don't get me wrong, I think that nothing can follow a good 911 on a twisty road, short of a race bred machine. But still if that's his thing then all the best for him! Here we love the autocrosses, because depending on the track, my mechanic with 1000 hp 935 gets beaten by 250 hp Renault 5 turbo 2, 400 hp Lancia delta S4 and 320 hp Opel kadett 2.0.
And then we all have fun together and it doesn't matter who has which car.
BTW the car looks great.
My humble opinion, GeorgeK

Greg Carter,

I want you to know that I did not post this topic to make you get flamed by other porsche 911 owners on here...that was not my intention. I really like your car. It seems like you are putting a lot of time and effort into it.

As for these other 911 guys ragging on mustangs, all I can say is, for $23,000, I feel that the Mustang GT with a 4.6 260hp, 302lb/ft engine is a great buy. It will do 0-60 in 5.5 and the quarter in 14.0 flat. My car handles well, has a killer stereo, has leather, power windows, power locks, keyless entry, 4 wheel disk brakes, has abs, has traction control, has meaty 17 inch tires, has a/c, limited slip diff, and gets 22 mpg. I looked at Z28s, but I did not feel confortable in it. For the price, z28s and mustangs are the best sportscars made. For those that say mustang quality is sub-par, all I can say is take a test drive in a 2000 or 2001. The only things I would change about the car would be to give it a bigger gas tank, make the clutch/brake pedals bigger, and maybe add rear independent suspension like on the Cobra models.

Bill

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William Armentrout
1973 911T
2.7 carerra rs specs
www.geocities.com/william_armentrout

Bill,

I didn't direct my comments at Greg, or any specific person. I, too, like the looks of his car, and think it would make a great 'Bullitt' clone ... should he change his mind about the twin turbos, and grudge-racing an '87 911!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa