Advice on '74 911 Carrera 2.7 MFI

blacklotus99 · 11-08-2006, 02:20 AM

Hi, this is my first on this board.

I am currently looking at a genuine '74 G series 2.7 MFI Carrera Euro and would like some advice from the experts here.

I understand that this car has the RS running gear (2.7 MFI). Can someone tell me about suspension, brakes, steering setup?? Also looking for info on production numbers both euro and US versions. My impression is that these '74-75 2.7 MFI cars are getting harder to find, especially original road cars... what is the market status of these cars now? Does anyone have indicative prices from recent sales?

What options were available in the '74-'75 carrera? Was there a clubsport or touring option pack available and what did this give you? Colour and trim options?
VIN and engine number details, what should I be looking for?

Sorry for so many questions at once but need as much info as possible before I pull the trigger on this one.

Thanks in advance.

spooldup · 11-08-2006, 06:09 AM

I dont post much but this is all me. You can email me so I dont go on here too much. The euro 74 does have the 911/83 motor,you also need to make sure the trans is correct. Get the car up,run you hand to the top front of the trans and feel for a plate, this is the oiling system that was specific to this 915 trans for the RS driveline cars(Thanks Andy). The euro build # from my books show 1974 1,036- I have a 1975 which has the single grille whaletail tail, #s built 518. I currently have 3 other 911s and a 930 & have owned 17 P cars in the last 20 some years from trick 930/C2 turbos , a 993 and... Anyway, I have an IROC M&K exhaust with limited baffles(Thanks Ben) some other mods -some you can see in this pic. It is by far the best P car I have ever owned-period. If the car is in the U.S. and you pass on it, I would sell off my other P cars to buy it thats how much I love mine. PM or email me if you would like, I cant express how much I dig mine!

pieterk · 11-08-2006, 08:10 AM

I can't help you with options and VIN numbers and such, but I can tell you that if the car checks out with a PPI, test drive and all that, then buy it. My car is virtually the same as what you're looking at except mine's not a genuine Row Carrera. The VIN is US, but it's built to RoW spec. Having original Euro VINs may make it slightly more valuable.

Some on this board have suggested that original mid year Carreras are collectible and gaining in value, especially as other lightweight early cars are now getting priced out of lots of people's pocketbooks, but I'm not sure. Some have also said this isn't true, and that they're still modestly priced--and therefore, great buys.

To echo spooldup's comments, the car really, really moves. It won't really wake up until you get it on a track though. There, it is formidable. This past weekend I was chasing down 996s, later Carreras, 964s, and all manner of other Porsches on the track.

I should add though that my car is fairly heavily prepped for the track, with an almost completely new full race torsion bar suspension. Still, I had it on the track before the suspension upgrade, and it was fast then too.

The suspension is a continuation of earlier designs. It has aluminum rear trailing arms, but I think that's the only major difference between it and earlier cars. Oh, and stock, it has the under-body front sway bar, not through-body. I don't know what the stock torsions were, but the car responds well to bigger bars (I'm running hollow 31r 23f).

I used to think that the stock brakes were M calipers, but mine has A calipers and I was told that for the mid-year Carreras, As were standard. If it's got As, this is good.

Overall, my feeling is that if the car has suffered no damage, is rust free (check carefully), and all the basic stock systems are intact, and it checks out (get compression test and leakdown with the PPI), you kind of can't really lose with this car, even if some parts have been replaced or some weird choices made in upgrades/repairs (i.e., poor torsion bar size choice, tired shocks, etc). Those are relatively easy to replace/refresh. The drivetrain alone is a glorious thing. These light, all manual cars, with that engine and a refreshed suspension with good brake pads are breathtakingly fun.

I'm curious what you're looking for in a car: clean, beautiful weekend touring car, clean daily driver, split road/track car, race car, etc. What would you like to do with it ideally? That might help dictate your choice of car as well.

I hope some of that helps with a little more insight.

blacklotus99 · 11-09-2006, 01:36 AM

Thanks for the info so far. The more the better.
This is purely a weekend car so mileage will be kept low. I wouldnt think any more than 3-4K a year. Maintenance is a minor concern with the MFI needing to be kept in tune and I assume I need a skilled wrench for this. Other than the MFI is there much to be concerned about for regular maintenance?

Any more info on VINs etc would be great. I have been told that this is a matching numbers car with a solid known history all the way back. The car is a '75 too not '74. Couple of well known collectors in my area have owned it over the years, one of them for 15 years or so and the car has a history file 2" thick which can only be a good thing.

The only non factory item I have been told is that it has boxster brakes fitted. This would be the only thing to change to bring it back to "dead original". The paint is original as is the trim including the seats etc and its never seen the wall.

In my market there are only 4 known 2.7 Carrera's known to exist in road trim. All the others have been crashed, disappeared or converted to tarmac rally cars.
As someone said to me it is effectively a "real" RS with a slightly different (later)body. As can be seen from above this is not a cheap car by any standard by next to a $200K+ '73 its good value.

Any more assistance would be great, especially with options, vins etc.

Cheers.

obrut · 11-09-2006, 03:02 AM

"In my market there are only 4 known 2.7 Carrera's known to exist in road trim. All the others have been crashed, disappeared or converted to tarmac rally cars."

you wouldn't happen to be in australia would you?

blacklotus99 · 11-09-2006, 03:12 AM

Certainly am. You must know the car Im talking about......

pieterk · 11-09-2006, 07:02 AM

I'm not sure what else you want to know about the VIN, but if I'm not mistaken, then if the car is an authentic RoW 75 Carrera, the VIN should be as follows: 911560xxxx, the 'x's being the sequence number. This thread suggests that the '6' was only used for RoW Carreras.

That the car is so well documented is a huge plus, even more so I suppose if you know who the POs are and how they treat their cars in general.

I don't know about calling it a "real" RS, but it is effectively an RS, inasmuch as you're getting a car that's almost as light, with the same running gear and handling. So performance-wise, yes, but with short-hood looks, which as far as I go, was more desirable from a personal point of view, not a collectible point of view.

So far, I'd say that the MFI induction isn't something to worry about. Once mine was set up correctly, it's remained in great tune. It's not the easiest thing to cold start, but I would hardly qualify it as aggravating. Within about thirty seconds it's stable, and within about five minutes of driving, it's absolutely smooth. No problems. Just find someone who really understands the system. These engines are glorious things. The throttle response alone is ridiculous.

I'd lose the Boxster brakes if you're concerned about originality. The original brakes will stop the car just fine. Just be sure to put some leg in it!

If the car has been well taken care of, and you continue to treat it well and you don't intend to do any modifications or race it, my feeling is that the car will treat you well. I've always felt that Porsches are not actually as expensive to maintain as some people think. Poorly maintained Porsches are expensive to maintain, but a good one with a good history that you continue to take care of will take care of you!

mb911 · mb911's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by spooldup
I dont post much but this is all me. You can email me so I dont go on here too much. The euro 74 does have the 911/83 motor,you also need to make sure the trans is correct. Get the car up,run you hand to the top front of the trans and feel for a plate, this is the oiling system that was specific to this 915 trans for the RS driveline cars(Thanks Andy). The euro build # from my books show 1974 1,036- I have a 1975 which has the single grille whaletail tail, #s built 518. I currently have 3 other 911s and a 930 & have owned 17 P cars in the last 20 some years from trick 930/C2 turbos , a 993 and... Anyway, I have an IROC M&K exhaust with limited baffles(Thanks Ben) some other mods -some you can see in this pic. It is by far the best P car I have ever owned-period. If the car is in the U.S. and you pass on it, I would sell off my other P cars to buy it thats how much I love mine. PM or email me if you would like, I cant express how much I dig mine!

wow you posted. it looks great glad to finally see it

obrut · 11-09-2006, 03:35 PM

"Certainly am. You must know the car Im talking about......"

yep, stannard's old green car. send me a pm if you want to discuss.

ps. there's more than 4 still on the road

blacklotus99 · 11-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Agreed. The "4 left on the road" info is wrong. I just found another one in the next suburb from me so I know of 4 and have heard there are another 2 (orange and silver), not sure if they are in road trim though.

NT911 · 11-09-2006, 10:17 PM

hi there,

i'm sure there where only 12-14 coupes delivered to aus. the green car (if this is the one you're looking at) is a very nice example and if you have the opportunity to purchase it, I doubt you'll regret it.

There have been a few on the market recently, two in adel both road spec (red and beige) between 70K-80K. 5 years ago they where around 50K.

I can think of six more in sydney (3 white, 2 yellow and 1 blue) in road spec. Add the green one - that's 9. Rally/race spec - one sahara beige in Melb, blue in melb, green in syd and red in syd (there's another black one in syd, though not sure if oz delivered) - that's getting pretty close to all of them!

wow - i feel like a real geek now.

good luck - let us know if you end up with it!

blacklotus99 · 11-10-2006, 12:22 AM

Thanks for this info NT911.

The red and beige cars in adelaide.. Were they original examples that sold recently? If so and they were in the 70-80K range that seems very good buying if they were in anything like the green car condition wise. Do you know much abouth either of these cars?

Im not aware of any white or blue road cars in sydney? Do you know anything about these? The two yellow ones I know of and there is a silver car in melbourne also. Obrut may well know of these white and blue cars also.

Sounding like an OZ 2.7 Carrera register may be in order!

Adam · Adam's Garage

The beige car was Matt Holcomb's old 2.7 Carrera - it has a "built" engine and a lot of other period-correct mods and was a superb car to drive.

He sold it to the guy who I believe is selling it now. Lots of info about the car on these forums, including it's documented rebuild/restoration. Do a search for "Are we Nuts?".

Good luck!

NT911 · 11-12-2006, 02:10 AM

I don't know much about the adel cars - i knew one was matt's and from all accounts a great car.

a good friend owns the blue one - he's had it since new.
there's a white one in my area, i've only seen it a couple of times, though i've had a couple of chats with the owner and it sounds very original. The other two white one's i've only seen once or twice - obrut knows one of them.

my 2c - I really don't think you can go wrong with a 2.7 carrera... they're increasing in value in oz due to their recent racing success and overseas as the RS's continue to rise.

Adam - I got your email, sorry i haven't responded - i'll look into it with our accounts, I can't remember what happened.
n

NT911 · 12-05-2006, 10:49 PM

anymore on this? are we starting an oz 2.7 carrera register?

gulf908 · 12-05-2006, 11:59 PM

Blacklotus,

If the car is in as good condition as is said,then don't hesitate !
I owned a '75 Carrera Targa for 12 years and sometimes I still wish I had it !
$$$ and garage space dictate otherwise.
The '74 and '75 Carreras are being/have been snaffelled up by the club racers who can't get their hands on a '73 RS and suddenly these cars' values are starting to shoot up.
Do it now !

Cheers,
Dennis.

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