Small-Block Chevy V8 powered 911's
 

I know most of you will be disgusted and laugh at this, but I just read about it. Renegade is the company name, take a look:
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/indexx.html (scroll over conversion kits/911 and click small block chevy)

They're even doing LS1's: http://www.renegadehybrids.com/PressReleases/PR09.html

They claim with aluminum heads the weight is comparable to a 930 turbo setup. You can pretty much get everything to do a swap for 6-8k.

Here we go...

(do a search...you'll see what I mean)

That is... interesting :rolleyes:.

I am certainly NOT going to be critical about a V8 swap given the fact that my 74 911 has nothing stock left in it.

But with the Chevy engine you lose most of the mistique of the old 911. The engine is the hearth of a car. And it's not just an HP and torque figure.
Plus with 500hp under the decklid I guess you'd need to re-do the suspensions and brakes.

But if I had to put a water pumper in my 911 I'd look at a 996 engine first. You keep the low center of gravity and they are possibly lighter than the V8.
And you can get a new one from Porsche for cheap these days.

Renegage has been around for years.....for a purist....it is a big NO-NO.....but there have been lots of them done.....if you can get water temps down and keep them down....I think it is a decent alternative....I know there is one member on the board that has one...and if I am not mistaken it was in Excellence very recently.....It sure makes financial sense to me.....especially if you are building a "bastard" car anyway and not concerned with keeping things original.....Im sure the value of the car when resale time comes would not be as high... but that is just my opinion

My thought is you should buy a 944 for $2K, and stick a Chevy SB in that. If $6 to $8K is the quote Renegade gave you, you'd have an entirely new car for less than $10K which would out perform many new cars.

im not saying i want to do it, i just read through the site. Looking at their prices I found it would cost 6-8k to do the project yourself. I think the reason most of us buy porsche's is because of the whole experience which mainly includes the feel and sound of a flat 6 (even if it doesn't produce much hp)

deja vu anyone?

i found this: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9743&perpage=20&highlig ht=911%20v8%20chevy&pagenumber=3

You guys really went to town on that guy..34 pages, jesus!

How soon before Jack chimes in to say he doesn't have a problem with them?

How soon before eleventeen guys say that putting a V8 into a 911 is a heresy equivalent to incest, genocide, etc?

Oh, and the inevitable picture of a 928 and someone saying they wouldn't have as much problem with the idea if it were an engine "...out of one of these"?

Hasn't this thread been done....at least (charitably?) 10 times?

somebody get a rope.....

Holy Crap!!!

I'm with dd74 and have actually been researching this a little. LS1 or LS2 in a 944 or even better with a 951 shell (better transmission and brakes) Some nice RA-1's and you'll be the car to pass at your local track day.

Renegade has done a sgnificant amount of R&d on 914's and SBC's (or others too, for that matter). I'm not so offended by a V8 in a teener. A lump in a 911 is wrong and in the wrong place.

I think my computer has been beamed back a few years????

Try a websearch on "grass roots racing" and "renegade hybrids". Grassroots had Renegade put one of these together for them for a series of articles. After Grassroots took "delivery" (over time and over budget IIRC) and after extensive "tweaking" the results were far from impressive. I'm sure it can be done correctly and nicely but not for $6-8 grand.

Cordially,

Jerry M
'78 SC

Putting a Chevy V8 in a 911 is like putting a Harley engine in a Honda RC51.
How about a Subaru WRX turbo transplant for a little rice power?

It's all just pieces of metal guys.

The "mystique" is effective marketing controlling your brain. Unless YOUR CAR won Lemans or Daytona- it's a piece of metal with millions of ad dollars behind it.

Hot Rodding is Hot Rodding- no make of car is/should be immune.

If you put a SBC in a Jag XJ sedan, you would know what you had done wrong the moment you hit the key. Same is true for the 911. There's a feel and sound for every great car including cars that should have SBC'c in them. I allowed that a 914 might be an exception because, after all, it is a 914, a VW powered car that VW made by and large. Not talking about the 914-6. And converting a 914 to a 914-6 is preferable in my book.

I once saw a Ferrari 2-seater with a SBC in it. How do you feel about that?

what about power windows in an early car? I think theres a thread currently about that, its outrageous!!!

I want to put a Subaru engine in my Baja. But I don't want to put a Chevy V8 in my 911. But if someone does, and does it right more power to them! (Pun? );)

heres a few vids:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lVcXX0GPJUw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2bTKPXvypzY

I will say this, in a 914 I think its very cool, I wouldnt touch a 911 with it though.

I better duck and run then...I've got a subaru NA block in my SWB 912.

sjd

I am thinking about doing the opposite. I want to put a 911SC, 3.0 bullet proof motor in a Cadillac DeVille. I know I will be upsetting a lot of the purist senior citizens.

"heres a few vids:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lVcXX0GPJUw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2bTKPXvypzY"

So, I watched the first two. . .Does this yahoo ever DRIVE the car? I got bored with the faux "art shots" and went away.

We are currently in the "V8 in a 911 is genocide" phase. Jack oughta be chiming in soon......if you're lurking Jack, c'mon....gotta have it.

I'll add my cents for the next to nothing it's worth as a 911 newbie...

I would not do it to my baby BUT... In the end it is still just a car, a thing, a consumable. If someone wants to do something I would never do to my 911, who am I to tsk tsk them? We all value our possessions to varying degrees and for different reasons... I would think we are able to recognize and accept (even value?) that.

In another thread we have some blasting a member for posting about a Ferrrari. They say 'this is a 911 forum!'. Here, discussing an interesting topic directly related to a 911, we are again blasting away.

I love this forum over all others because we are generally more 'open' to discussing the seedier side of 911 ownership. Nothing wrong with being a purist, but let the others inclined to explore other possibilites speak and ask questions.

All in my humble opinion of course.

Eric

Last fall I was on the way to the PCA club race in Utah when we stopped for gas in Wyoming. At the same gas station was Scott of Renegade Hybrids towing a 930 (sans engine) back to Vegas. We both had Tundra tow vehicles and alumium trailers with 911s riding on them. In the middle of nowhere, such coincidences forced me to go over to visit with him after fueling. Of course, at the time I did not know who he was or that he was associated with Renegade Hybrids. Once I found out that the 930 was getting some Detroit muscle, I reacted with near total revulsion. No, No, NO! But after further conversation and me not wanting to appear as a total closed minded ass, I came around to the fact that Scott knew his sh** and had an "air" qualified confidence. Scott came across as a good guy, who was pretty kewl and on the straight up and up. Take this observation from a Porsche bigoted guy, who was going 800 miles to race his Porsche racecar and happened to meet the RH co-owner at a gas stop. I like my Porsche flat sixes, have built several 911 engines and no way would I ever insert a water pumper into one of my 911s. BUT I would seriously consider that option with my son's POS 924S with Renegade's assistance or their kit. Oh and I did ask Scott where was the 930's original engine... as I (like every other hard core Porschephile ) are constantly on the alert for a chance to pick up a good discarded turbo engine. It was sold already back in Ohio. YMMV, bash these RH guys if it pleases you but do some research first.

Umm, Does the kit include a Powerglide tranny and drum brakes?

http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/shake.gif

Not another V8 thread to ruin the holidays? Didn't the last one just go away a few weeks ago???

Oh well, go ahead -- it's your car. But just consider this!

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/Custo...mers/Pic20.jpg

How about this one from their site, nice kit car!

You know what they say about polishing a turd.....