Motor Meister - Please read

If you or someone you know has had a bad expereince regarding the work performed by:

Motor Meister Inc.
12262 Woodruff Ave.
Downey CA 90241

Please send an email to MMClassAction@Hotmail.com

Please include the following information:

Name:
Daytime phone:
Description of issue:
Date of work performed:
Resolution:
Estimate of loss:

Thank you -

yougottabekiddin, yes its all one word.

I know of some folks who have had good experiences, but I guess your lawyer would not be interested in that.

Regards,

Kurt http://www.911restorations.com

Go for it man! Those jerks SUCK! I personally know four fellas that got new butt holes courtesy of Motor Meister. It seems that Roy and his gang just cannot tell the truth. One man was lied to so many times, he had to threaten to have the law get his equipment before Motor Meister would even acknowledge having it!!! They are liars, they are cheats, and despite Roy chiming in here, they are not to be trusted. They give the motor repair biz a very, very bad name.
Have you ever heard someone mad at Paul Weir? His prices are a little high, but dam it, he does what he says he will do, and he does it will out a lot of BS delays and excuses, ala Roy.
I hope they go out of business soon. And I have only seen what they do, if I had that kind of experience, no telling what I would have done...

I'm in a situation with Motor Meister right now regarding a 3.0L engine I purchased from them 4K miles ago...It's torn down after a knock and poor leak down numbers in 4 cylinders. I'm awaiting on a MM response regarding replacing the Crank (already reground .25 over and scored badly), Piston, Cylinders and a few other items...
I have a very reputable mechanic working on the engine in Atlanta...So I think this nightmare will end for me shortly. I'll know Tuesday if MM will stand by "working with me" on this.

I'll let everyone how things turn out since it seems to be a topic of interest

Jim

Kurt - According to your web page: your ebay auction ended after discovering engine problems ??? Was this before or after your MM rebuild ?

Your first post as a junior member advertises a class action lawsuit. I have two questions. Do you own a Porsche and Have you every dealt with motor meister?

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

FYI: Yo obtain class certification you need to have a representitive plaintiff who can represent the class as a whole and 1)the potential class members must have substantially suffered the same harm (such as discriminated against as a class, or failied to receive te correct rate of pay); 2) the class must be so numerous that that the filing of individual lawsuits would be impractible; 3) the represented parties will be adequalty represented by the class representitive; and 4) there are common questions of law and fact which are common to the class.
I have no experiences with MM, but perhaps you could expand on you experiences.

[This message has been edited by pbs911 (edited 11-19-2000).]

The way I see it, this board is for support. I consider it a "heads up" for newbies to motor work to hear exactly what folks are up to. MM gets slammed here often. Paul Wier does not. Dont know about you, but I see a pattern and it is realitive to the quality of work...

The original post does not say if he is trying to make money or not. Considering MM slams in previous posts, I would suggest he is trying to get himself back in a working postiion. Why should MM be allowed to run over people when people get critized for trying to protect themselves? Sounds like a bunch of Democrats...

Nah, republican here. Just feel if Roy is not doing heads up business at motormeister the situation will take care of itself in short order. Just got a thing against frivilous litigation. I live in Louisiana where the ambulance chasers advertise on the six oclock news every evening and we pay some of the highest liablilty rates in the land. The post just struck me as a little opportunistic. This forum could be much more powerful than any lawsuit and a whole lot cheaper.

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

Originally posted by jimbos911:
Kurt - According to your web page: your ebay auction ended after discovering engine problems ??? Was this before or after your MM rebuild ?

Before. The motor is being built now.

I have read every post on this board regarding MM - I recall that about two people had actual problems with MM and MM made right on the person who sought help. I think I recall the other gentleman raced the motor for a while then decided a year later that something was wrong.

The rest of the posts appeared to be anecdotal; "I heard this" or "I heard that".

I also remember there were no bad reports from Paul Weir . . . because no one ever reported having any dealings with Paul Weir on this board - good or bad.

MM rebuilds a few hundred Porsche motors a year. I would not be surprised if there were problems with some of these rebuilds. If there were some serious, systemic problem with MM I would guess that we would be seeing many more reports from actual Porsche owners that something was awry.

I'll keeped you guys aprised of my dealings with MM and the work MM is doing for me - so far the experience has been very positive.

Best Regards,

Kurt http://www.9111restorations.com

[This message has been edited by kurtstarnes (edited 11-19-2000).]

I cannot help but wonder how many P owners MM screwed that do not know about this board
While some may regard my responses as anecdotes, only I know what I saw of others misery relating to MM. After building nine of my own projects, and having first hand experience on all of them, I for one do not have to get slapped in the face before I am wary.
I wonder what the BBB has to say about them, if they are even listed. I would imagine that a savy P owner would report such thievery, but then again, in this day and age, who knows???

Regarding BBB:

Apparently, from a post here of someone who checked the BBB regarding MM, there was one case on file that was ultimately resolved.

FWIW.

Regards,

Kurt

Originally posted by rstoll:
Nah, republican here. Just feel if Roy is not doing heads up business at motormeister the situation will take care of itself in short order. Just got a thing against frivilous litigation. I live in Louisiana where the ambulance chasers advertise on the six oclock news every evening and we pay some of the highest liablilty rates in the land. The post just struck me as a little opportunistic. This forum could be much more powerful than any lawsuit and a whole lot cheaper.

The situation will take care of itself in short order............
How many more unhappy customers need suffer. I think one more is to many.Seth needs support. He's pissed, he got burned. I don't blame him at all. I support him.
It's easy for someone to get on a soap box, when they did'nt lose a dime at MM.
Good Luck Seth

Mr. Green,

Seth, What went wrong?

Mr. Green,
I live on the West Coast, you live in New Jersey, why in the hell would someone from New Jersey, deal mail order with a guy in California. Are you brain dead or what. There has to be a whole bunch of quality shops in your area at least on the East Coast. You have work done by a shop you know nothing about. Didn't your mommma give you any common sence. Before you have someone work on your Porsche you check them out. GO SEE THE SHOP, talk to the folks working there, talk to customers, as around!
What did he do for you, we are only hearing YOUR side of this. I do not think that "OUR" board is the place for you to air your complaints. A simple note saying watch out for this guy would have been correct. Your a newby with a *****. Most of use have no time for that childish BS. My thoughts are you jumped on this guy cause he was cheap, am I wrong! Have you ever heard the story about oats. You can buy fresh oats for market valvue or you can buy oats that have been thru the horse once for a cheaper price. I think you and your post belong somewhere else, by the way did you go to law school or are you paying someone to do your lawsuit. If you use the same logic in finding a lawyer as you do a Porsche mechanic Roy is probably safe.

Randy Jones
1971 911

P.S. There is no way in hell that I would ever, I mean ever, deal with a Porsche engine shop that has to advertize. The folks that I know are so busy they don't have time for that. To me, thats one of the way to tell if there any good. Besides why should I help him pay for his ads, less overhead means better prices for me.

So Strep, You say Seth is pissed and you say Seth got burned. Well, so far the only post Seth has made is to advertise his so called class action lawsuit. Still don't know if he owns a Porsche or is just a guy out to make a buck off this site. Tell me Strep, just how did he get burned? The soapbox is all yours sir.

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

If you look a his profile Seth is a lawyer and I would assume he is doing this on behalf of a client

The purpose of this board is to help other owners and as far as bringing up this issue here I welcome it , I would have used MM to rebuild my tranny but ran into red flags from Roy such as suggesting I give him a $500 deposit in advance and after reading other members posts and experiences this brought up a red flag ,I have never been requsted a deposit for work on my car, he obviously has little trust in others so why trust MM.

I have heard many negative comments from other vendors that are aware of MM and to say well he rebuilds so many motors their is bound to be a few dissastified customers is pure BS

In any business you will have dissatisfied customers but its what you do to resolve the problems that makes the difference , for someone to post here is a last resort and a clear indication of a refusal to resolve or acknowledge an issue.

Check his profile... "legal"

Question: Lawyer, but not a Porsche-lover? or Porsche-lover who happens to be a lawyer?

This is the ONLY post (ever) I could find for Mr.Green.

OK, Mr.Green, what are your intentions & purpose here?

We await your RSVP....