beware - Girots spray on bra

hcoles · 02-11-2007, 07:29 PM

after a fresh paint job and curing for about 6 weeks, I put on Girots spray on bra - I posted pictures awhile back.

It's been on for maybe 4 or more months and I decided to take some off and see if the paint was ok underneath. Exactly what has happened I don't know, at this point, but it doesn't look good. There is a crazed look to the paint that doesn't polish out with light hand polishing. I'm going to call Girots tomorrow and see what they suggest. If you are considering using this product I would be very aware.

I think we are about to see how Girots stands up to products they sell.

I hate to say this about any product or to a company like Girots but for now be careful using the Spray on Bra product. I feel I need to say something to give a heads up to other Pelicans.

I'll probably post some pictures tomorrow, at this point I don't want to look at the hood any more.

-Henry

Rouxzy · 02-11-2007, 07:51 PM

A word to the wise. My restorer friend and painter of over 30 years says not to even wax a new paint job for a year. Some believe other wise but I was just thinking maybe applying something like you did is example of what my friend says will happen. Good Luck, I hope everything works out.
Tom

Dantilla · 02-11-2007, 09:29 PM

Sorry, but I also think six weeks is not nearly enough time to do anything to fresh paint.

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Right, I try not to even look directly at new paint for at least a year

-Wayne

johncarlos2003 · 02-11-2007, 10:59 PM

I am not an expert, at all. But, I have asked several *world class body shops in los angeles about waxing new paint- they all claimed that yes, with the older technology paints, waxing should wait- but now, with new paints etc, a few weeks is all, if that.

Again, I make no claims, I don't know. Im only sharing what two of the very best painters in so cal told me . . . any "real experts" care to chime in on details/ opinions . . .??

Facey · Facey's Garage

i supposidly ruined my first hood paint job by washing with too strong a car wash after 3 months.... it made lots of swirls.

after the respray (not due to the above...i got pelleted by a dump truck....thankfully it was covered) I washed my car with dish soap for the first 4 months..

all seems good.

other note: i also changed from an old english car restorer to a american muscle car hot rod shop, which does some very 'fancy' paint work...and i was the first car in their brand new booths....so

I'm sure Girots will act like a respectable companys

BMWDavid · 02-12-2007, 02:28 AM

Actually, dish soap is far more aggressive than a proper car wash soap. Dish soap cuts through grease and food and will strip off wax. While a good car soap mainly provides a lubricant to float dirt from the surface while minimizing wax removal.

David

David in VA · 02-12-2007, 04:31 AM

It may not be your new paint. I used the spray on bra for a DE weekend and it left something like what you're describing which hasn't come off after waxing. I haven't tried polishing. As far as I know my paint is original. There was some more feedback in this thread.

Spray on/peel off paint protection?

75Carrera · 75Carrera's Garage

Henry,

Sounds like you tried to protect your virgin paint too soon. Have you tried the P-21 products? The cleaner and polish work wonders but I don't know about fresh paint issues. Good luck man...

john walker's workshop · 02-12-2007, 07:00 AM

new paint will "gas off" for months, and often needs another color sanding and polish job after that. probably not griot's fault.

Zeke · 02-12-2007, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
Right, I try not to even look directly at new paint for at least a year

-Wayne

This is new to me. It must be the "new" paints. One month was always good enough for curing. That's why I still drive out of state and buy Dupont Centari acrlyic enamel.

the · 02-12-2007, 09:23 AM

Centari is a very good paint, easy to apply and durable.

Given that this product is used successfully on thousands of cars (with fully cured paint), no doubt, and that your paint was only 6 weeks old, I think most would conclude it was an issue with the paint, not the product.

Palum6o · Palum6o's Garage

You may be ok, you only polished by hand and probably used a non abrasive polish. It sounds like you may have to wait until the paint fully cures. Then you should look into buffing the paint by machine, either rotary or pc using a very mild compound/pad combination.

Greek55 · 02-12-2007, 10:10 AM

A little off topic, but does the color change shades at all once its cured?

Zeke · 02-13-2007, 03:19 PM

Any paint will fade if exposed to UV. But, it should hold its color if the car is cared for well.

strupgolf · 02-13-2007, 04:26 PM

How come new cars just off the assembly line are able to be waxed without problems. Just wondering.

Ron.G · 04:43 PM

I would think it is because they are baked in the process. speeding up the cure time.

Buckterrier · 02-13-2007, 05:38 PM

Yes Ron your right, kinda sorta maybe. They are baked but not to speed up the cure time. The heat is the crosslinking mechanism as opposed to airdry paint, @ refinish, which can also be 'force-cured' with a bit of heat. An OEM paint would remain 'wet' for a very very long time without the proper time/temperature.

hcoles · 02-14-2007, 05:36 AM

Update - many pictures/etc. sent to Griots and they are being nice about looking into the situation/etc. According to them, they have sold a lot of this stuff and haven't heard of an issue. David in VA above, had an issue. There is no mention of any time frame on the product or on the website, so I assumed I should be ok. Right now Griots is feeling they have some liability maybe not 100%... I'm planning to go to the place where is was painted and see what they think. On my next post I put in a picture. It could be that I can get it buffed out and put Invica Shield kit over it and just go with that.
-Henry

hcoles · 02-15-2007, 06:16 AM

another update with picture
had the paint inspected by the original paint shop owner - he says that the spray carrier or plasticizers in the "rubber" went into the paint. One good thing at this point, it looks like the more time the paint is left uncovered, the more it is returning to the original condition, so that's what we are going to do. Get all the SOB off and get the car in the sun for awhile and then see about any buffing that can be done. The shop owner says that the paint should have been fully cured when it left because they use infra red and other heaters and use a computerized cure booth. I think there is a lot of grey area there, and likely the paint was not fully cured, what ever that means. I would have to discuss with Glasurit engineers to find out about that.

So far Griots is being very polite and concerned and calling me back/etc. so I feel like I'm getting good response. If there is some buffing or other to be paid for, we will have to see what they say at that point.

Here is a picture near the hood badge.. you can see smooth near the badge that was masked and where the SOB was.