3.2 Turbo Report (long)

Ok GUYS,Heres is....
Got my car back 5 days ago,after the car had a turbocharge installed,the proyect was born from PROTOMOTIVE, in california and the work was carried on by PROTO TECH in FT.Lauderdale
The car is running .5 bar of boost,non adjustable,with no internal modification and no intercooler,the air temp going to the engine seems to stay at 135 to 155 with no problems at all,i can make 5 good passes and it will raise to 195 but will drop very quick,the turbo will kick in at 4100 RPM with no turbo lack at all,and will gain speed very fast,before the car will go from 80 MPH to 165 MPH in a long period ,now she will crip very fast out there and plenty of power left but speedo stops at 165,the boost gauge was installed in the driver post,and a air temp gauge for, in and out of the turbo was installed under the a/c knobs,the sound is awesome so the power.time trail will be posted next week for 0 to 60, and 1/4 mile
hope this help some of you guys interested in tnis type of proyects.any questions just send me a e-mail. or if you will like to see some pictures .
http://www.geocities.com/titos88911/MY911.html

ANY COMMENTS WELCOME.....

Sweet ride, Juan! Any idea of how many horsepower you're getting with the turbo? Any problems with it? Do you think your engine will last?

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Mark Szabo
1986 911 Targa 3.2
1987 Escort 5-speed 1.9
The 911 Gallery

Thanks Mark,well we asume that is between 300 and 350,based that the engine stock had 214,we are sure that we gain 100HP for sure,but of course this is only an assumtion but we are schedule to have it dyno and that will clear that,the turbo has givin me no problems yet, is to early to tell but the combination is been used before with no problems yet, if it will last ,i sure hope so but nothing is for sure in life and thats a big risk when you play this game never mind that i put around 2,000 miles a year because i travel so much so she will be cozy in the garage plus we are working in the next step lower compression ,cams, heads etc by that time the bottom end will be strong and we are looking at 550 HP,hope she can wait.

Vary nice Juan! Looking forward to detailed pictures of the setup and performance figures.

Thanxs they be comming soon, tomorrow temp should be in the 50s,and the track is open,so,HE HE i have a date!!!! i keep you inform.
Regars JUAN

Impressive car Juan, I have an 83 911 cab with a 3.3 turbo putting out about about 360hp at the rear wheels. I'll post my dyno charts one of these days. It's amazing what the mods have done to the stock engine power. And I always put octane booster in mine to prevent engine damage and with your low miles it might be a safe and relatively inexpensive precaution.

BTW, what type of wheels are those? 18"?
Chuck

Thanx Chuck,im runnig 103 octane fuel,so i hope to be safe ,those are 17" Speedlines,7 1/2,at front 9 1/2 back with 255 tires.
Regards Juan

Those are 17'Speedlines,7 1/2,front,9 1/2back

Juan, If you dont mind me asking, about what price range did this mod cost? I thought about doing the same thing, but opted to sell my engine and buy a C2 Turbo engine instead. I did some figuring, and will come out ahead. I even tried that whole crankfire, fuel injection setup(which was great), but still couldnt as much HP as a stock C2 Turbo. My feeling was this, Why start with an engine that produced 215 HP, and try to pump it up? I am starting with an engine that has 375 HP to start with. And then will boost it up. I have worked on several cars like yours with add-on turbos and superchargers, they usually are good for about 50 HP on a good day, because of the lower boost you have to run,( you can easily run 1-1.4 bar on a C2) and your Motronics system is retarding timing to keep from detonating. Of course there are many ways someone can go in this type of project, thats why its so much fun !! Your system looks sweet, keep the photos and pics coming.
Marc

Thanxs Marc,the system went for $4,995 installed,for that price it was impossible to come up with a better set up,i was at one time contemplating the same idea as yours but walk away from them because i dint want to be involved in the hassle of dealing with some one to purchase the engine and them finding out that the engine had some troubble and been stock with it,never mind the idea that i had to modify the new engine coming in,so for that price it was the best deal for me,and even more ,no internal modifications and the engine was not even removed fron the car,the 50 HP that you mention in a good day i dont have any concrete inf,but when i dyno it i let you know,i now for sure theres more than 50HP by the way the car pulls,with the people that im dealing we will get the car to 550HP at 1 bar, next year at this time,they have done many proyects and we can get all the way to or 800HP,so we dont have a limit(my pockets do)
but the beauty of this proyect is than im able to have fun and keep adding as the funds allow me,as far as i know, the timming has not been retarded at all,but like you said theres so many ways to go about this type of proyects,if you dont mind asking you how much you figure in that transplant? including the whole job,core engine misc so we can have a neutral comparation,if you dont mind.keep in touch i will like to hear about the proyect as it goes and the final result.
Regards Juan

Juan, well I forget sometimes where I am coming from. I have worked as a technician for over 15 years and have made many "connections" over the years. So things like, getting my car painted, is no big deal, I simply work on some vehicles for the painter in our body shop, and he paints my car for free. So that helps out alot. I actually sold my engine on EBay for $7000.00(this is the one that had the crankfire, etc), and bought a '92 C2Turbo engine with 24,000 miles for $5,500. The engine has been sitting for @ 2 years and was "frozen", so I had to take it apart and go through it. All I needed was 1 piston and jug. Including gaskets, parts, and all the modules and harnesses I had to buy, I will be out of pocket @ $3000.00. Not bad to me for a 200HP upgrade. Also keep in mind, that I am doing all the wiring and fabrication, etc, myself, so That is saving big money. But by the time you are done you will have one badass ride once you lower your compression and get your boost up..I am leaning toward something a little more drivable, not so much a hotrod !! Keep us posted.
Marc

I prefer turbocharging the 3.2 as did Juan mainly for the reason that I don't like the CIS injection used by the 3.3turbo. Even the 94 3.6 turbo was CIS. Marc, I assume your engine is a 3.3. If it is, it has 320hp (the 3.6 has 355hp) and that is about 100 more than the 3.2. If you run the 3.2 with the same amount of boost as the stock 3.3 you will have about 400hp. The drivability is also better with th 3.2 because of it's higher compression ratio. Another advantage of the 3.2 turbo is it is completely electronic so it is very easy to tune for more fuel. I once read somewhere that a 3.3 without the turbo has about 130hp, I would rather start with 217 and work my way up. Don't get me wrong, I admire your project and you can easily upgrade for more power as there is a whole lot of aftermarket for the turbo engines. Either way you'll both have some sick arse rides!

Mike
1986 Carrera t

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I agree with you on the 3.2 VS 3.3 and CIS, but I started out with a 3.0 CIS car, not a 3.2. So I didnt want to go near a turbo add-on for that engine !! I should be somewhere near 400 HP or more, using a fuel enrichment kit, 1 bar spring, exhaust,and bigger cooler-- for starters. !!
Marc

Hey, Marc i forgot to ask you, do you plan to put a intercooler in your car? if you do what are your plans,like, will you replace the tail with a turbo tail? or do you have a different location for? just curious,i want to follow your proyect real CLOSE,because of guys like us,we can help others with their proyects even that i had to do all my own research i still like to help others.
Regards Juan

Juan, Yes, I have to run an intercooler. The factory setup has air coming in the airbox, through the cis system sensor plate, then piped down to the turbo, then piped back up through the intercooler, then into the throttle body. I have two of them if you need one. Mine will go in the stock place. And I have a RSR tail, so no worries there.
Marc

Marc, I didn't realize you had a CIS car. There's no other way to go then! Can you keep us updated with your project? You have two what, intercoolers or turbo tails?

Thanks

Mike
1986 Carrera t

Mike, I actually have three intercoolers. (only using one) Two of them are for a '78'89 model, one stock, the other one is a "double decker" one , I think from Andial. (not sure about that). The one I'm using is for a C2 model. I do have an electric C2 tail if anyone wants it.
Marc

Hi Mark:

How much do you want for the intercoolers? The Andial one sounds way cool. Will the stock 85 ac still fit? Summer here is always over 110 F and sometimes above 130 F. My intercooler is locked in a body shop that got busted for dealing drugs and is permanently locked. I am lucky to have the car!

Hey Guys, Here is a link to a pic of both the intercoolers. I looked over the big one, and it has no nameplate on it. It does have a "Porsche Motorwerks" decal on it though. (someplace in Co.) http://members.aol.com/rattlsnak/intercooler.jpg