Yoko's won't come off Fuchs????

70S Targa Guy · 04:49 PM

In my opinion the problem I am having is ridiculous to me and has everybody mystified. Here's the deal:

I am getting ready to send my 6x15 Fuchs Deep Six wheels to Al Reed to be polished, anodized, etc. and today I went to 4, yes you heard correct, 4 different national tire chains to have my 195/15 Yokohama A008P tires removed from the Fuchs. Nobody could get these old tires off the rims. They all had the latest tire presses and the guys working the presses were veterans but the bead could not be removed off the rims. Some of the tire guys claim that since the tires are Z rated, thus having super firm sidewalls, and in combination with the fact that the tires are 15 years old, dried out, no elasticity, etc, that was the reasoning they said the tires can't be removed. They suggested cutting them off but that process would take a long time. Well, I tried cutting one of the tires off using my dremel cutting the tire widthwise and it took me the better part of 40 minutes to go from rim to rim. Even now the tire can not be removed because the bead STILL can't be lifted over the rim. Like I said, this is freakin ridiculous! Has anybody ever had a problem of removing old tires off of Fuchs and/or have any suggestions? I am sure if I spent enough hours with a hack saw, dremel, dynamite, etc. I will get these tires off but some special heavy duty tire press must be available locally to do the simple job and make life easier. Thanks.

klaucke · 03-29-2007, 04:37 PM

I'd suggest going to a 5th or 6th or 7th etc tire shop. Call around first, the big tire chains don't really have super knowledgeable people working for them, just laborers who are going through the motions. You just need to find a good shop who really knows what they're doing.

JP911 · JP911's Garage

You could always send them to Al with the tires on. Extra shipping weight, but extra padding to protect the wheels.

porsche930dude · porsche930dude's Garage

yea thats just bull. go to a private shop not a tire chain. Theres tricks you can do such as putting the wheel on the machine backwards and pulling off the back of the wheel and such. Im not sure how fuchs are designed but that may be what needs to happen

fly4val · 03-29-2007, 06:19 PM

I've had good luck with Discount Tire here by where I live.

andyjboy · 03-30-2007, 01:52 AM

porsche930dude has it - deep sixes need to have their tyres mounted/dismounted from the rear.

Cyberdennis · 03-30-2007, 02:09 AM

When we mounted my R-tires the other day we put the tires in a hot water washing machine (normally used to clean engine parts) to soften the tire before mounting them. This could work the other way round for when you want to remove them from the rim. Heat the complete wheel for a short while to soften the tire.
Or as some already have mentioned, try from the other side of the rim.

Esel Mann · 03-30-2007, 05:31 AM

40 minutes with a dremel to cut a tire width wise? You are a trooper!

I'm guessing here but it sounds like the dremel doesn't have enough umph. Also upon doing the single width wise cut, did you have assistance? That is, two people pulling on the tire to separate it from the rim? I can see where a single person will not have the leverage to separate a single widthwise cut. Unless of course your name is Arnold and you are all pumped up.

I think however you are on the right track. Two width wise cuts 180 degress apart so that the tire can be separated from the rim. Or one widthwise cut with two people pulling.

All you need to do now is select the correct tool. I would suggest one of the following. (A) a hand grinder or (B) a sabre saw. Either will make the cuts and in reasonable time.

Good luck!

Carlton

70S Targa Guy · 03-30-2007, 05:57 AM

Thanks for the replies everybody. The guys that responded here and said these deep six fuchs have to be mounted/dismounted from the rear are absolutely correct. I spoke to the tire shop (Euro Tire in Fairfield, NJ) that installed these tires years ago and they indicated that is how they do it. Unfortunately Euro Tire is about 60 miles from my house, that's why I didn't go to them initially. I'll be damned if I am going to cut the remaining three tires off the rims, what a huge PITA that was; I strongly don't recommend trying it.

rusnak · 03-30-2007, 04:08 PM

There is a local tire shop here that has a special tool for this type of job. It works with air pressure to press the bead off. It's hoop-shaped, and when the bead finally comes off, it shoots condensation and makes a loud bang, but it does not harm the wheel.

The shop works primarily on high end performance car wheels and the ever so popular Bling Boy "rims". If you still have no luck and you have nowhere else to turn, maybe you can hire ...the A Team....sorry, just kidding. I can go down to the shop and ask them what it's called and see if they'll let me take a picture of it to post.

Jeff Hail · 03-30-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by 70S Targa Guy
In my opinion the problem I am having is ridiculous to me and has everybody mystified. Here's the deal:

I am getting ready to send my 6x15 Fuchs Deep Six wheels to Al Reed to be polished, anodized, etc. and today I went to 4, yes you heard correct, 4 different national tire chains to have my 195/15 Yokohama A008P tires removed from the Fuchs. Nobody could get these old tires off the rims. They all had the latest tire presses and the guys working the presses were veterans but the bead could not be removed off the rims. Some of the tire guys claim that since the tires are Z rated, thus having super firm sidewalls, and in combination with the fact that the tires are 15 years old, dried out, no elasticity, etc, that was the reasoning they said the tires can't be removed. They suggested cutting them off but that process would take a long time. Well, I tried cutting one of the tires off using my dremel cutting the tire widthwise and it took me the better part of 40 minutes to go from rim to rim. Even now the tire can not be removed because the bead STILL can't be lifted over the rim. Like I said, this is freakin ridiculous! Has anybody ever had a problem of removing old tires off of Fuchs and/or have any suggestions? I am sure if I spent enough hours with a hack saw, dremel, dynamite, etc. I will get these tires off but some special heavy duty tire press must be available locally to do the simple job and make life easier. Thanks.

The Off Road boys use this....Scary isnt it?

rusnak · 03-30-2007, 11:08 PM

When that 2"x6" breaks you get a scene from "Jackass, The Movie".

Clarke · 03-31-2007, 05:42 AM

It's more fun to watch how the off road guys seat the bead when they're installing tires!!!

RickM · RickM's Garage

When I replaced the 345/35/15 tires on my 11" rear wheels, a very experienced, specialty tire shop had to place the new P-Zeros in an oven to heat and install. Took them many attempts. When I picked the car up he said the only way the tires are coming off is by cutting them off. To this day I'm not sure if he was kidding.

Dantilla · 03-31-2007, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Clarke
It's more fun to watch how the off road guys seat the bead when they're installing tires!!!

A squirt of starter fluid and a match?

Jims5543 · 03-31-2007, 08:23 AM

I had this same problem with a set of Kart rims, the tires had been on them forever and after trying everything, bead brakers, driving over the tire pinching it with a car I finally had to cut the tires. It took days and these were kart tires.

I never thought of trying to heat them up though, that might be the trick. Maybe even some of that tire tread softener racers use. Add some the the bead and see if it works in and softens things up.

fly4val · 03-31-2007, 06:00 PM

Yo Jeff.....how big a flare does one need on a Pcar to put those 'off roadies' on a Pcar ;-)))

the · 03-31-2007, 06:07 PM

Cut a tire off a wheel with a Dremel, wow.

fly4val · 03-31-2007, 06:13 PM

Plasma cutter is faster???

Jeff Hail · 09:16 PM

Kidding aside on the Off Road guys way to install and remove a tire. Rubber tends to shrink with time. Newer tires have thicker sidewalls. Throw in a ton of constant weight transfer over the life of a tire and beads become vacuum locked.

Pull the valve core stem. Fill tire with a few cc's of soapy water and spin. Vacuum pump at 50 psi pull. Wait for bead to buckle. Then dismount with Hunter TC3500 Bead Roller. Just like installing except in reverse.

(Occam's razor )"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."