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Andy Snow
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Sway bar size/adjustment and 3 wheel Porsches (long)

I have a question about sway bar sizes and adjustments.
I have a ROW 1984 Cabriolet. I purchased it 2 years ago, bone stock. When bought, it swayed radically in corners. Last year, after some research and consultation on this board, I installed 22mm front and 28mm rear torsion bars as well as Bilstein sport shocks, turbo tie rods and a shock tower brace. This spring I would like to do Suspension Upgrade Stage II and was planning on sway bars. This car still has the stock 18mm rear and 20mm front sway bars.
I read all the back threads on sway bars and still have couple questions and am soliciting advice and opinions.
Let me add that I am, by trade a farmer, and so drive a pick-up as a daily driver. I like autocross and will do some DE when time allows. However, 99% of the time I am on the street with this car, I like to take spirited drives into the mountains (sometimes rough roads) or out along the lettuce fields in the valleys where it is empty on a Sunday afternoon.
In my reading I am getting a lot of conflicting information. The 22F and 28R torsion bars are right out of Bruce Anderson’s book and he says “If your serious about good handling, the next step is 22mm sway bars front and rear.”
The 22F and 28R torsion improved the handling enormously. It seems to have gotten a bit looser in the rear end during autocross, or maybe it’s just me and I’m pushing a bit harder. On fast corners down in the lettuce fields it enters solid but the rear comes out a little if I boot it in second gear at the apex.
I had always thought I’d just install 22mm bars front and rear. But I started looking around.
Have you ever noticed how many 911’s corner on 3 wheels? We’ve all seen it. Look at the cover of Henry A. Watts book “Secrets of Solo Racing” a very low, obviously race prepared 911 with the inside front wheel off the ground. Now look on page 96 of Fred Puhn’s book “How to Make Your Car Handle” another 911 on three wheels and Mr. Puhn says “If your car lifts a front tire off the road in a turn it has too much front roll stiffness, too little rear roll stiffness or a combination. A car on three wheels generally cannot corner as fast as a car on four wheels” and “Adjusting roll stiffness to tune the suspension has no effect on a three wheel car”
So my question is: Why do we all do this? Are we so afraid of the big oversteer that we will corner slower on three wheels to avoid it? I’ve seen pictures of myself at autocross (before last year's suspension upgrade).. three wheels, and it did understeer.
And for my car, keeping in mind that it’s a cab and so not supper ridged along the long axis, will the 22mm bars work out? I would get adjustable bars, can I loosen them enough to take the wife on picnics without blowing up the Champaign bottle?
I read that you, Warren, have 19s front and rear, but my car is heavier and with the 20 already in front, I wouldn’t want the butt end any looser.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Best Regards -Andy


[This message has been edited by Andy Snow (edited 01-21-2001).]

Old 01-21-2001, 06:30 PM
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