First Upgrades to a 87 3.2 Carrera??

[TheToddfather]

I just bought a chip from 911chips, and was wondering where I would go from here in order to boost my hp and performance.

I thought I would see what you all recommend.

Based on my reading around the internet, a Fabspeed Euro Pre-muffler, B&B Exhaust Kit or upgrades to the suspension are the way to go.

Also, I've read a new Catalytic Converter is worth the money.

So, suggestions? Thoughts?
Thanks!!

[TheToddfather]

Also, anyone know anything about the Mass Air Flow System from 911chips.com? Is this worth the money?

[Super_Dave_D]

I would say get your suspension / handling right first. Turbo tie rods etc.....You are on the right track with the exhaust you mention but check into the M&K - I love mine and you can read a ton about it here.

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[81 911 SC]

agree, get your suspension set up correctly. The 3.2 is limited to what you can do for extra power and I've seen in some instances where people who chip their car actually lose HP. Get a set of SSI's and a sport muffler, get rid of the CAT unless you still need to meet smog regulations.

[TheToddfather]

Noob warning: How do I upload an image of my car??

I have to keep the Cat, unfortunately...

Damn, hope I don't lose performance off the chip. That's not good news. I will do some digging into M&K and SSI's.

What would you recommend for suspension upgrades?

[sus911]

I have a spreadsheet for my '84 which may differ slightly from an '87 but I'm happy to forward it. Just PM me if you're interested.

Phil

[81 911 SC]

I would lower to euro ride height if you are not already there and then find a shop that can corner balance the car for you.

[Super_Dave_D]

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[TheToddfather]

Here ya go!! That's my girl.

[wolf]

Do some drivers training first

[hkiang1]

Pretty car.

Suspension is the best place to start upgrading your car. Bilsteins and, at most, a euro ride height.

You're not going to lose performance by going with a Steve Wong chip. Don't worry about that. That's the best engine improvement value. An M&K muffler is something else you can look into. I don't think the sound changes that much if you are going to run the factory catalytic converter (an aftermarket cat may flow better and may impact sound) but the M&K weighs much less than the stock muffler so you can save some weight in the rear, which is a very good thing.

Otherwise, you can go as fast and make as many upgrades as you have money to burn. And there are many of us on this board that have burned alot of money, so ask if you have questions. Chip, muffler and suspension are just the tip of the iceburg.

Henry

[TheToddfather]

I am a little confused about all this 1 in 1 out, 2 in 2 out stuff on the M&K. I know what it means, but can you put the 2 in 2 out on this car? It says you can put it on the 87, but you just have to mod the valance.

Is there any advantage to staying with the one out? Can't see that there would be, and there seems to be a lot of complaints about the loudness of the 1 out.

What kind of HP boost am I looking at off the M&K over stock?

[hkiang1]

The factory stock exhaust manifold channels the exhaust from both sides of the motor (from the heads) into 1 collector and into the catalytic converter and ultimately into the muffler. If you intend to preserve the stock catalytic converter, you will need a 1 in. The 2 out muffler can be used on your car with modification to the rear valence. My understanding is that the car will be louder with 2 exits and possibly pick up some nominally greater power.

If you decide to ditch the factory exhaust manifold and catalytic converter and go with SSIs/headers, you will need the 2 in muffler.

Give Ben at M&K a call to find out what you can expect in the way of power improvements. I ran the set-up that you are asking about, for a brief time, but since then have done a little bit more and I can't remember what it was like.

But this is what a 2 in looks like:


H

[TheToddfather]

Originally posted by hkiang1
The factory stock exhaust manifold channels the exhaust from both sides of the motor (from the heads) into 1 collector and into the catalytic converter and ultimately into the muffler. If you intend to preserve the stock catalytic converter, you will need a 1 in. The 2 out muffler can be used on your car with modification to the rear valence. My understanding is that the car will be louder with 2 exits and possibly pick up some nominally greater power.

If you decide to ditch the factory exhaust manifold and catalytic converter and go with SSIs/headers, you will need the 2 in muffler.

H

Thanks for the info.
So basically the 2 in 2 out is for people who don't have to meet emission standards.

I would love to remove the CAT and go with a 2 in 2 out, but what do you do if you fail emission testing? Is there some cheat work around like a temporary detuning of the engine?

Something to think about for sure.

[hkiang1]

[911 in SC]

Just wanted to clarify, but you do have to purchase SSIs/headers in order to run 2 in mufflers, don't you? You can't run a 2 in muffler with the stock heat exchangers, can you?? It seems obvious, but wasn't sure if there was a way to do this without purchasing SSIs/headers.

Thanks,

[hkiang1]

If you're going to maintain the factory exhaust manifold, you cannot run 2 in w/o some serious, and pointless fabrication.

[TheToddfather]

Originally posted by hkiang1
If you're going to maintain the factory exhaust manifold, you cannot run 2 in w/o some serious, and pointless fabrication.

Is that your ride?
Awesome...

If it is, I'm guessing you struggle to pass Cal emission standards...
If not, I'm sure I would be able to use this configuration in BC, Canada as well.

[mb911]

you guys about covered it. Good job henry let me know if I can clarify anymore