Proven again new model Porsche drivers are posers

I had to laugh the other night while driving around with my SO we came across a new dark blue 996 Turbo .
We pulled up right along side him while driving her truck and his head was bobbing around like a bouncing doll head checking to see if anyone (especially my girlfreind)was checking him out in his new ride, he sped off as the light turned green in a silent wisper, you couldn't even hear the motor.

No cool sounds nothing, which is even clearer to me why people tell me older 911s are better not only for the exotic sounds but the unique instantly recognizable styling not the boring rounded low drag coefficient look of today.

The real 911 is gone replaced with a unic wannabe 911 imposter.

Porsche is now big business and corporate with record profits for shareholders recently too bad they sold their soul and lost the vision of its founders.

Jeff
78Sc



[This message has been edited by jryerson (edited 02-17-2001).]

Yeah, you don't know whether to ask them to race or "pass the grey poupon".

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

I have to agree that "to me" th eolder Porsches are better and "real", but I also think the nice ones are very nice. And I wouldn't ask one to race...even though I love my 77, I would get my A** kicked by the newer ones.haha

I guess it boils down to the old saying, "to each thier own" Any Porsche is GOOD!

Dear Jeff / Robert
I know that most of the members on this board prefer the "older" model Porsches, but I think it is time that you face up to the fact that life goes on and that the "old" models had their day. You are free to like your old Porsches, but it does not mean that you have to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich and deny the fact that the 993/996/Boxster is a real good Porsche.
Look at a few facts:
Porsche is in the business to build premium sports cars (and earn some money that way). This means that they have to stay in the forefront of automotive technology if they want to keep on selling sports cars. (A 3.0 SC can be beaten by a modern VW Golf with a bit of attitude, which means that it's a no-go by today's standards.)
The Porsche-purchasing customer groups have been carefully researched and Porsche build cars that these people will buy. (when last have you bought a new Porsche?) The fact that you own a 20 year old Porsche does not make you an expertly qualified person to criticise the direction that porsche is taking. It is to the new-car buying public that Porsche listens, not to you. (this might sound personal, but it is just a fact of life/business.)
I am also not always happy with everything that Porsche does (I really miss those air-cooled engines), but those decisions are made in the best interest of staying ahead (water-cooled engines, aerodynamics etc.)
Robert, if you want to race a 996, dont! They will kick your SC butt so hard that you will not be able sit for a while! Then you will find out that a 996 is no 911 imposter, it is THE latest 911.
The morale of my message is: stop slagging off the newer Porsches or their owners, they have as much right to live as you do.
Before you think "996 wanker", I have a collection of Porsches rangeing from 1958 - 2001, which means that there are a few older models in my garage.
Regards
Stef

You know- I really do love the way my 70 looks and sound. REALLY LOVE IT. If some one were to give me a new porsche (that's the only way I could get one) I'd sure take it and love it too! I might even bob my head and check out chicks.To me they are completely different cars, and a natural evolution. Every company wants to progress, they should be no different. The only problem is the amount of money they have progressed to. I'll never be able to afford one and by the time they are old enough to be affordable, I'll probibly be in motorhead heaven. I don't blame the posers though. If he can get his hands on it, more power to him. Hope he gets the chicks. After all in the long run, that's what it's all about, I guess.
Except for me. I have a foxy chick already, but she thinks I'm cheating on her when I'm with my 911. I steal away sometimes just to stare at it. Silly isn't it.

Geez, Racer...lighten up. Just trying to add a little comic relief to the board. I think the original topic was about owner attitudes anyway. Not which car would win the race or which is the better car. But thanks for clarifying all this for me, Still think my 20 yr old technology is still kickin a little but now and then though. Now I will go stick my head back in the sand.

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

Tell you what Stef. Maybe, if the company you work for intends to exist past the first few years of this millenium, You, and a few thousand other employees ought to take a good hard look at how the company did business at dealerships in the '50s and '60s ... and forget your totally new sales orientation at the present time!

It was called [/b]'after-sales service,'[/b] and it did NOT INCLUDE your pointy-headed attitute that everything old should be forgotten, and that support of the older models after seven years should be forgotten ... or somesuch nonsense!!! A few really good dealerships who understood customers, like Stoddard and Vasek Polak, thrived on service, and flourished ... the ones oriented only towards new-car salesmen in Gucci's don't exist anymore! They went out of business in the '80s and '90s!!! Is that the future for your company?

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

Take it easy on him Warren, with disposable income headed toward a premium, some folks are gettin a little edgy.

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

Warren,
I never said that owners of older Porsches should be sent out in the desert. Enjoy your classic Porsche in the same way that I enjoy my classic ones. I just want to put an end to this attitude that owners of newer 911's are posers etc. We are all in the same boat due to our love for the marque.
I don't know what the deal is with older parts supply in the USA, but here in Germany we do not really have a problem.
Porsche intends to live way past the millenium. To do that they have to sell cars and judging by their sales figures, they are doing pretty good compared to the 50's, 60's etc.
I agree that some salesmen in Gucci's are a bit "artificial", but I think you find those geeks in every upmarket showroom, not just at Porsche.
Now go and fetch a beer from the fridge and relax. Cheers!

Stef

at least give the guy credit, he had the money and still went with the p car. 70 911t 2.2 webber

Gotta give the nod to Stef on this one. I don't care what you say, the old cars were awesome and so are the new ones. You don't have to be Kreskin to sense the green-eyed-monster (jealousy) on this board. Ha, they could say that you bought your car to wrench on, while they bought theirs to drive! It's an equally unfair statement but consistent with the arguements posted here. Honestly, who on this board, if they were blessed with a high 6 or 7 figure income, would turn up their nose at a nice GT-2?

May the 911 live on for many more generations and iterations.....IMHO.

Mike 94 C2 cab

Stef

Believe it or not I had a local Porsche dealer try for weeks to get me to purchase or lease a new 996 and one about a year old, I have spent some time in them and let me say they are boring cars from the super quiet motor to the Taurus inspired dash

So its not a matter of economics for me just as most on this board could afford the lease payment of $1100 a month if they really wanted to.

I have admired and appreciated 911s since I was old enough to walk, older 911s you could spot a mile away and wait anticipating the cool sound of that flat 6 buzzing by, the new 996 has no sound and blends in with every other car

Now this is just my opinion others may disagree but this is from someone who thought a Porsche was the ultimate( even with building the 928) up until the 996


You could give me a new 996 and I'd sell it immediatly and I could buy 2 or 3 real 911s
t you know the ones Ferry,Butzi and Ferdinand visioned


PS Their is no way a VW Golf or even GTI can beat a SC.
How do I know ? My younger brother purchased a brand new 2000 GTI and spent thousands on suspension upgrades and motor improvements to end up with a car that rides like a truck and is unreliable and breaks and admits still won't corner or handle as good as a 911.

Starting with a great race proven design,with low center of gravity, dry sump,rear engine balanced light weight suspension does make the difference.


Just because something is new DOES NOT make it better.

Jeff
78SC


[This message has been edited by jryerson (edited 02-17-2001).]

I always figured that most new Porsche owners were posers - of ANY year car.
I have this vision of an egomaniac in the late 70s pulling up to a disco in a brand new 930 with that psychedelic orange, white, and black interior.
If it were not for this guy I wouldn't have a tubo engine to put in my SC.
So next time you see one of these fellas be sure to thank him - for the future donor parts.

Guys -

I agree with all of you. The "older" 911 and 930s are, to me, the real thing. I do, however, agree that the new turbos are technically superior to my ride, I'm just not too enamored with the styling of them. As they say, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream!
In fact, to emphasize the point, I ordered a 2001 Turbo (silver/dark gray) one year ago that's now scheduled for March production, April delivery, but after looking at them for the past year, I decided not to take it, preferring rather to hang on to the Slantnose (black/red) that I've had since new. Any takers on the new one?

Ed
'88 930S

CAN I GET A WITNESS!?!?!?!?!?

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

I think one of the nicest things with the older porsches like the SC's they can be easily updated to a later body style at an affordable price and the real old 911's can be updated to the SC or turbo style body. Your options are unlimited and the porsche is a no excuse car. I have an 81 911SC and love it dearly its still extremely fast and handles great even though its 20 years old. Its a timeless car.

Yeah baby!!

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

Well, I am glad Stef is chatting here because he is also probably listening. Stef, there are cost-businesses and differentiation-typoe businesses. Porsche must maintain its separate distinction in order to continue drawing on its good name. Further, the "hot" cars here are those with 'break the mold' or 'go outside the nine dots' retro styling. We think you'd help our marquis and its sales staff if you'd design a car that is instantly recognizable at one kilometer's distance.

With no interior plastic and round race-instruments.

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'83 SC

Hey guys. Have you looked at the gallery lately. We are all posers. I would argue that we might be worse. How much time and effort do we put into our beautiful machines? Has anybody seen a flamming floor jack?
david 89 turbo cab
waiting for posing weather to return to chicagoland

in re: to styling, i was sitting at a stop light one morning waiting to turn left when i notice a black boxter approaching in the opposite direction. so i get in my rubberneck position to prepare for my aesthetic cup of coffee and it turned out to be a new convertible mitsubishi eclipse. whoops. i guess it was too early in the morning and i hadn't had my real cup of coffee yet.
bob
'68 911L