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RichF 11-27-2007 05:26 PM

just curious about the 2.9 twin plug
 
So what all does it take to make a 2.9 twin plug and about how much if you built it at home, I know some things would have to be done at a machine shop but what parts would you need to stock? case, internals, fuel system...?

thanks, rich

Steve@Rennsport 11-27-2007 05:49 PM

Build a 2.8 for a much more reliable engine,....:)

RichF 11-27-2007 06:01 PM

is it really? How so cause i know nothing about either except that the 2.9 made alot more power with its radical cam than the 2.7 (I think) is it the same with the 2.8?

Grady Clay 11-27-2007 06:38 PM

listen to steve

Listen to Steve

LISTEN TO STEVE

Seriously, the 93 mm cylinder wall just plain was too thin. The structure of the cylinder under these conditions was not up to the task. The 92 mm cylinders are sufficient.

For enjoyment (even single plug) the 90 mm ’73 911RS (8.5:1 CR) Nicksil are very suitable. For outrageous performance the 92 mm 911RSR (at about 11.5:1 CR with non-RSR heads) work well but it takes a lot of work. These are also currently difficult to source.

Best,
Grady

Steve@Rennsport 11-27-2007 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichF (Post 3611521)
is it really? How so cause i know nothing about either except that the 2.9 made alot more power with its radical cam than the 2.7 (I think) is it the same with the 2.8?


Rich:

2.8 engines have been around since 1973 so this is not a new development. I've been doing those since 1977 and its REALLY a neat combination if everything is properly done. :)

The 2.9's are relatively new as a way to squeeze the very last out of those small magnesium engine cases and the 93mm cylinders are simply far far too thin for durability. Once heated a time or two, they do not stay round and this shows in the leakdown figures.

There are two ways to make a 2.8; one uses a 92mmx70.4mm package and the other is a 95mmx66mm built on a 3.0 Turbo bottom end.

Currently, I have a supply of new Mahle 92mm P/C's. :)

Wayne 962 11-27-2007 07:23 PM

Sorry, so not a fan of mag cases - too many issues. A 3.0 with high compression pistions and 'S' cams + Weber 40s will really work well. Single plug too. This is what I have in my black RS clone.

-Wayne

pu911 11-27-2007 07:27 PM

Wayne,
I'll agree a hot rodded 3 L is a great motor, big port heads flow like mad stock. The short stroke 2.8 is built on a AL case but ain't cheap.
Phil

RichF 11-27-2007 07:57 PM

i see thanks for the information guys

Jeff Alton 11-27-2007 08:51 PM

Yes, but if you have a 3.0, why not make a SS 3.2 or get a 74.4 crank and rods and build a 3.4.....

My 3.4, the only one I have experience with mind you, sure likes to rev...

Cheers

Wayne 962 11-27-2007 09:11 PM

Yes, I agree. It costs the same to rebuild / build a 2.0 as it does a 3.4, so why leave HP on the table? Best motor to build is the 3.4 high compression, twin-plugged, with 'S' cams and weber 40s or 46s. It will put out as much power as a stock 3.6, and will be easier to install into an eariler car.

-Wayne

RichF 11-28-2007 04:49 AM

How much does it cost to build a 3.4 high compression twin-plug from the ground?, up no tranny


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