I am tired of these Euro's

I live is San Antonio and the Euro car seen you could say is very popular here. Is there any vintage racers out there that can help me to get the max power out of my 2.0911S engine. These darn Euros constantly mess with me (I have to admit I do give in). Last night I was on I10 around 2:00am and a mitsubishi caught up slowed down and continued this little game. I was ignoring him until he went in front of me and turned on the hazards @80mph. The race was on. I am being honest in saying that I caught up passed him (doing around 110mph). I was already ciounting my chickens when the son of a bi--- caught up, looked at me, waived and he took of as if I was standing still. He must have sprayed me because by that time I was doing around 100mph. It keeped me thinking "what did that guy have". Anyway, I just dont like the idea that on friday he will be bragging to his friends that he smoked a 911.
the following is what I have in the engine:
911s cams
11:1 comp.
FVD exhaust dual 3" outlets
40 webers
electromotive ignition set at 15 idle 35@600
And a heavy foot
any advice would be good other than recomending a different engine.
thanks Louis

What is European about a Mitsubishi? Anyway, for performance upgrades check Bruce Andersons Porsche 911 Performance Handbook. All you need to know. (seems you have been tuning anyway... Nitrous?)

But really, with your car you shouldn't be wasting time/money trying to beat ricers. You gotta remember your car is over 30 years old If you wanna beat 'em get a Corvette.

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Phil Garner
'72 911E Sporto

Depends on the mitsubishi--an eclipse couldn't smoke Old_Skul's compacted Escort.

But I know the heartache of imagining the guy telling his friends he smoked a 911. By the time the 4th friend hears it, it'll be a late 90's turbo he smoked, and you had a girl in the car; and then you pulled along side him later on to say you're sorry you paid 60k more for your car and asked to trade...

The only time I ever truly lost, or got totally smoked, was to an M3, and my car wasn't running right. Of all the Vette's I've pulled next to, not one ever went for it. That's a problem with the owners--any such owner with a clue would have put me in my place, but alas, they don't even try.
If I had a vette, I'd look for me just to kick my own ass.



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Kurt B
'84 Carrera Cab.
carrera_cabriolet@yahoo.com

Good you mentioned that(NOS). I have done most of the mods in the book from weber mods to cam timing. I was thinking of going twin plug but I would have to replace to muvh new stuff. I am seriously planning on purchasing a bigger engine(3.0 or 3.2). any recommendations??

Welcome to the real world,Porsches at one time were the hot thing on the street,this days all others rules,if you one to have a fast porsche like the ones that i have rode on you looking at over $50,000 in engine modifications and even then you have the vipers,and even the vettes,i have a 3.2 that i turbocharged and with 320hp at the flywheel i still get smoke by 550 hp hondas,turbo eclipses,rx7s,even the nissan sentras,for them is very cheap to get horsepower for us is only a dream,and yes our cars corner better bla bla bla they are slow to todays cars. my 0.02

It takes no talent to drive fast in a straight line. I pilot a '98 911 Carrera S, so you can imagine the number of morons who constantly pull along side me and rev their motors. Anybody who wants to race me has to rent out either Lime Rock, Pocono or Watkins Glen Raceway, crashcrew included. It's going to be a 6-hour race, and after I win, I keep their car (no rides home, by the way). Shuts these talentless idiots up real quick.

Louis: Please see the post on "willow spings adventure". That is the kind of venue where our old 911s can really shine. Its real tough with a 30 year old, 2.0 liter car to run with these NO2 powered big dogs.
BB

The streets belong to the turbo cars and the 'vettes. You can't expect to win on their turf - and you can't expect them to get on yours. Organized racing like Auto-X or Driver's Ed costs money and a time commitment. No one wants to bother with that. 10 seconds on a lonely street by chance is all they need.

I agree with the logic. If I wanted a car that could only race at a track I'd get a purpose-built racecar, not a street car.

You're gonna need a boosted motor of 3.0 liters or larger if you want to join in the fun.

My 911SC might not own the street, but at least I get all the babes.

Eclipse Turbos are real quick!.
I got smoked by one which I foolishly thought was just sporting a Folgers exhaust system!
He smoked me good and proper!
As the posts say, don't mess with them on their turf!.
PS were they even making Mitsubishi cars 30 years ago?
Console your self by the fact that you are driving a piece of racing history and a 'quality built', classic sports car!
rgds Ben

Louis,

I'm not sure it is quite as bleak/hopeless as some of the guys believe ... and I know there are plenty of twin-turbo 300 hp Mitsu 3000GTs and Dodge Stealths around here in Texas! If what you want is blinding, impressive acceleration up to about 120 mph, as opposed to a 160-170 mph top end, I think you have some hope! What I recommend is a two-pronged approach ... a serious weight reduction program, and some serious high-revving power!

1. A goal of 2000 lbs is reasonable with fiberglass/carbon fiber hood, bumpers, doors, seats, and removal of back seats, sound deadening, radio, heater, etc.

2. Your aluminum block can be taken to 3.0 liters with Andial-Mahle P&Cs and a 2.4/2.7 crank and rods. Add ported 2.2-2.7 heads and GE-60/GE-80 cams, dual plugs, boat-tailed crankcase webs, and another Electromotive 'module' ... and you have 280-300 hp, a fat torque curve and usability to 7500 rpm, still with your Weber 40IDS carbs changed to 35 mm venturis. A change to a 915 equipped with 'Airport' gears and ZF limited slip, oil pump, filter and cooler, is needed for reliability and ease of regearing.

What you then have ... is a 3.0 RSR-almost, with 12-second quarter-mile capability, and super-autocross car ... that still looks like a '67 911S! When you uncork those Webers, most 996s and Turbos would be hard-pressed to keep up with a lightened-rocket that weighs 1000 lbs less than they do, and 1700 lbs les than a Mitsu 3000GT! The only thing you have to worry about is meeting up with a '67 Lotus Elan with 280 hp and 1300 lbs!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

86ragtop

I totally agree with you and I wish I was around when these cars were the **** (even though I probably would not have been able to afford anyway). The sad thing is these ****s dont want to here that and they dont know better than to think all 911 are new ones. The sad thing is for all the money I have spent on my car (dont get me wrong I wouldn't have done it if I didn't love it)I could have purchased and modified something with a lot more hp.
I do love the attention my car gets with the hood rats. we gotta love em (just like chicken).

Juan, the only reason that happens to you on the streets is because you live in a state with no emissions.
That doesn't happen in Ca for a couple of reasons
1) Hondas with 500 HP are limited not only to people who can get the engine in there once, but to people willing to take the whole thing out for emissions
2) No car can pass emissions with 550HP--everything has to be stock, and there are lots and lots of people in JAIL in CA for piping cars and just passing them--believe me, you can't find a crooked testing center any more
3) People can report gross polluters. They just mail you something that tells you to go get your car tested for emissions. If it's a gross polluter, not only do you fail, but you have to get tested every year.

This is why I think I have never run into a Honda pushing 500HP in Los Angeles...mainly just kids with Honda's that look a bit like, Y-wing fighters and other space ships from Star Wars.


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Kurt B
'84 Carrera Cab.
carrera_cabriolet@yahoo.com

Kurt that could be a point but the ass wipping dosent stop there the new thing down here, they have some alcohol hondas on the street even my buddies 600hp M3 is having a hard time with them,not with the NOS on do.

Hey 86ragtop
Ben, Mitsubishi got its entry into the car biz in 1917 by putting together about 20 Fiat-based cars. This obviously upset them enough to get out of the car business for the next 40 years. They made a few airplanes in the years between(can anyone say "Zero"?)but were well and truely back into things by the sixties.
Regards
Les

Louis,
It doesn't matter how much money you put in or power you get out of your Porsche, there will always be some knucklehead that has a faster car and will want to show you up. What's important is to know the capabilities of yourself and your car and use those abilities to your advantage.

In my short span of Porsche ownership, even having a very tame looking car, I have had the maturity challenged owners of newer be-spoilered, be-lowered, and be-riced up Mitsuhondatoyonissans trying to entice me. I just love to totally ignore them and pretend I didn't see them at all.

What is a "Euro" anyway.
Mark

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Mark B. Wilson
1970 911E
mbwilson@home.com
http://www.marksobsessions.20m.com/

Hello

Just in short, your engines seems to have 200+ HP and will rev up to 7500 /min.

Then rev out the gears !
2nd goes to 130 km/h
3rd to 170 km/h the
4th up to 210 and the
5th up to 260 km/h ( normal body ).

A standard 2,0 S has nearly now low end boom and a tuned version will kick only obouve 5500/min.

Go hunt them...

Even if they have nitros oxide:

There engine will give up or the bootle getīs emptey.

A race is not a short sprint. This is what the engine developes . A race is a longer duration. Important is to keep cool and controled and donīt risk all for
nothing. Hunting has an own philosphy

Mitshu sales a 280 HP Rallye Evo in germany. Has good power but only 240 km/h topspeed. To heavey and to much spoiler. Hard to fight down.

You used a fast katana like a broadsword.

Heavy food is for US muscle. Small engines need downshift and rightfoot.

YMMV

Grüsse

Some fine advice on road racing there Roland

I am sure the cops in San Antonio are going to love 30 minute races at 240kmh++ !!

Maybe on a long strech of Autobahn...

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Phil Garner
'72 911E Sporto

I just wanted to pipe in and say my last car was a 550hp 93 TransAm that handled ok but was a straight line monster. The 911 is a more fun car to drive, it is a piece of automobile history and a wonderful work of art. Having said that it will more often than not, get swallowed in a drag race. Ya just gotta face the facts and choke down your pride. I had to and it hurt being a drag racer guy for so many years. I bet though, 98% of those folks would trade their cars in a heartbeat to own a Porsche, if for nothing else to get the babes they think it would pull

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rj cilurso
87 911 targa

RJ,Very good point which takes me two a second qs,our cars are expensive to maintain,twice that to beef them up,unpractical but yes we still like them why? if we want history why not drive a 1965 2 door ford falcon? just curious i need some one to talk some sence to me.