Europroducts chips? Anyone have?

[PDACPA]

Europroducts is in the area and was wondering if anyone has one of their DME chips?

Was considering Authority or Weltmeister but the price of the Europrods is much cheaper.


Thanks for any feedbacks

[thebondman]

I installed the Weltmeister in my 1985 and I'm 100% satisfied.
BILL

[PDACPA]

I do not think Europroducts is selling a Weltmeister. It appears to be their own product. The cost is much less than a chip from Authority or from Weltmeister and I was wondering if anyone was currently using a chip from them.

[s2per]

I tried a Europroducts chip in my '85 Carrera (now sold) and was very pleased. The biggest gains were in the midrange and some extra upper end power, but my scientific obsservations were strictly "seat of the pants". The guys at Europroducts are great to deal with, IMHO, and UPS Ground gets me the parts the next day.

[PDACPA]

S2per

I'm across the Howard Franklin. Either UPS or a quick drive over.

[JDaniel]

I've got one... never installed it. I just never got around to putting it in. Let me know what you find.

[PDACPA]

Dan

You want to sell it at a discount? HAHA

[JDaniel]

I don't think this chip will fit your car (or I would have mentioned it). My '87 is an early model and has a different # of pins.

[Joeaksa]

PDA,

Do a search on "chips" on the forum. There is a gent on this forum who has taken the chips out of various boxes and used a computer to look at how they are programmed.

He might have peeked inside a Europroducts chip and might be able tell you the differences. He has checked out the Autoauthority and other chips and is familiar with their programming.

Would not be surprised if the Europroducts chips are more or less copies of others on the market. There is not that much that you can change and still get reasonable mileage and such.

One thing to confirm and be very careful of is the rev limit on any non standard chip and pls confirm where its set. On the DME motor the rev limit is controlled by the chip cutting out the fuel pump at speed. Part of the reason that the aftermarket chips give more power is the rev limit is raised above the stock figure. Should the rpm on the new chip go above 7200 on a 3.2 motor, the secondary rpm limiter can kick in.... ie, the rod bolts can let go and the motor slows down immediately.

Joe

[PDACPA]

JDaniel- I need the 28 pin if I am correct. I thought the 87-89 all used the 28.

Joeaska-I think I vaguely remember that post. I will give it a check. But how would I know what the Rev limiter is set to? Will the chip paperwork tell me?

[Joeaksa]

If you buy if from a business like Europroducts or such they can tell you where the rev limit is set. Getting too close to 7200 is not good for my grey hair or wallet. I prefer 6700 or 6800. Any higher is asking for a problem IMHO.

I just wanted to let you know that there is a difference. I bought a DME with a "sport" chip in it and was always worried about where the rpm limit was set. Finally found a friend who knows chips and read the "sport chip" and found out that it was a completely stock one with stock limits. At least I found out that it was not set at 7400!

Buying from a reputable business is a good way to make sure that the limit is set correctly.

Joe

[vjd3]

The Europroducts chip was designed years ago; Frank Eibell of Eibell Performance in Clearwater FL did some of the work on testing the chip. Years ago, Bruce Anderson did a comparison of all the chips available for the 3.2 Carrera. The conclusion of his article was that the best chip change was actually an exhaust change as the gains were much better than even the best of the chips they tested. However, the chip Bruce got the best overall results from is the same chip Europroducts still sells. I can't remember the original name of the chip, though it is not the same as the Weltmeister or Autothority chips.

I put one in my 88 Carrera back in 1998. I found that the car idled a little better and there was a noticeable jump in the midrange performance of the car. Nothing earthshaking, but since I think I paid $149 for the chip, it seemed reasonable to me. I wound up going back the stock chip after I had some problems with the car that were eventually chased to the throttle sensor -- it had nothing to do with the Europroducts chip, but after I changed back to the factory one to eliminate it as a source, I never bothered to change it back. So I guess the difference wasn't THAT great.

Try one ... the price is right, and at the time, they had a 30-day moneyback guarantee. It's pretty easy to install; hardest part is getting the computer out from under the driver's seat, unless you don't mind removing the seat (and probably stripping those @#$%^ soft Allen bolts while you're at it).

Vic
95 C4

[Joeaksa]

Vic,

I can have my computer out in about 3 minutes, without touching the seat. Just slide the puppy all the way aft and you can get to everything. Your seat may be different but mine allows reasonable access to the computer with it still in the car.

Have done it several times while troubleshooting a hiccup in the system that turned out to be a bad cyl head temp sensor.

Thanks for the info on the chips. Interesting to know the history.

Joe

[Wayne 962]

You need to make sure that you don't rev the car past about 6300 RPM, unless you have replaced the rod bolts.

Also, for us people in CA, the chips may advance the timing too much to run on our crappy gas...

Make sure that you get a good return policy from any manufacturer...

-Wayne

[Joeaksa]

Wayne,

Was always told and always saw here on the forum that the 3.2 was good to 7000 but if you ran over 7200 that you were asking for loud noises.

Are you now saying that 6300 is the max RPM for these bolts? This is the stock limit and I know people who have used 6800 for years with no problems... As well, all the chip makers increase the rpm limit for more power and if what you are recommending then we should not trust the aftermarket chips for rpm limitation.

Can you pls expound on this a bit?

Joe

[PDACPA]

Wayne

I was going to order the chip today. If you get a moment, can you weigh in on that max rev that the chip raises it to vs what you consider to be the highest safe rev?


VJD3 Thanks for the history of the chip. I am in Tampa and use Dave Whites for my repairs, but most of the Pinellas (Clearwater/St. Pete) PCA guys you Frank Eibell.

The cost difference in the chip was my reason for considering the Euro chip. I sort of wanted to make sure I was buying from a long term company in the event of a problem as opposed to picking one up off Ebay.

What is the exhaust chip? Or is that just the same chip focussed more on exhaust?

Thanks

[PDACPA]

Wayne-can you respond about the Rev limit? Thanks.

[evan]

Hi, I have a brand new Europroducts DME Chip to suit an 88onwards, 911 Porsche part number 911880.krt that i want to sell.

[CharlesJones]

Originally Posted by PDACPA

What is the exhaust chip? Or is that just the same chip focused more on exhaust?

I don't think there is such thing as an "exhaust chip" as such. I think what Bruce Anderson means is that he had better results from changing the exhaust rather than changing the chip, and was using the term "chip" as a pseudonym for modification in this context.

What I don't understand though, is does Bruce Anderson mean that an exhaust change only is better than a chip change only, or that an exhaust change plus chip change is better than a chip change only? I was under the impression that changing the exhaust alone doesn't yield much benefit without an accompanying chip change. However, maybe the ECU compensates for the resulting leaner running, and thus there is a resulting benefit that way. Can anyone shed any light on this? I'm changing my exhaust soon, and wanna know if I should change the chip too.

[Joe Bob]

Why go with an unnamed chip? 3.2s are Wong territory....3.6, get the No Bad Days chip from Pelican.