Average car, excellent advertisement

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=589245499&r=0&t=0

Things seems slow lately so I had to go to the Ebay source of Porsche related items!

Wow. Now THAT is an excellent advertisment.

Too bad it's a Targa....

You're right about the title of your post - California Classix are living proof of the power of advertising; they routinely get more than anyone on ebay could for average cars. If you'd like to see them in action post-auction, they keep the old ads on their web site at http://www.californiaclassix.com/hall_of_fame.html. They did an ad for a black '65 Porsche 356 SC that's a work of art. When it comes time to unload my car, these are the guys I'm calling. :-)

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I agree - one of the better ebay auto ads I've seen, definitely. Looks like a nice car too.

They do call it a "carrera" in the auction title (it's really a 73.5 T), and say it has "dual 6V batteries", but besides that...

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Their ads get kind of redundant, but they are very good at offering a whole lot of 'sizzle' even when they don't have much 'steak.'

If I were a newbie to Porsches with a Christmas bonus burning a hole in my pocket, they might be irresistable.

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Jack Olsen
1973 911 T (3.6) sunroof coupe
jackolsen@mediaone.net

27 bids and the price is just over $9000. Are they going in $.50 increments? What would this be worth if it was a coupe? It usually follows the same pattern. Great price, good year, low miles, OH, its a targa. Did they make more targas then coupes back then or is nobody selling the coupes?

Its a great ad for sure...

Now here's a strange thing - my 1973 1/2 911 T Targa was built in January 1973

BUT THE CHASSIS NUMBER IS TEN DIGITS LOWER THAN THE ADVERTISED CAR! Which was built in February 1973.

My car's chassis number is 9113111264 - bizarre or what?

Best guess - the advertised car was built in late January, but not actually invoiced or shipped or whatever until early February.

I wonder if in fact my car and that car came off the line on the same day?

- roGER

Ummm, weren't the 73 1/2 T really 2.7 liters?

The ad specifies 2.4 liters...?

I had a 73 1/2 2.7 T coupe. Just curious.

BTW: My 73 1/2 SCREAMED 0 - 60 in 5.3 seconds. Not 9 seconds.

Just curious if there were 2.7s or 2.4s. WOndering if my 2.7 was a later engine.

TIA


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Nick Hromyak
'85 Carrera 7 & 9 Fuchs
Havin' Fun in Sacramento

Nick, it was. Unless your car had impact bumpers, it was a swap.

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Jack Olsen
1973 911 T (3.6) sunroof coupe
jackolsen@mediaone.net

Wait a minute. I thought that the upgrade to 2.7 was fairly common on the 2.2 and 2.4-liter cars. It's mentioned in the 911 Performance Handbook. I'd think it's more likely someone rebuilt Nick's old engine to 2.7 rather than swap the whole thing.

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Emanuel Brown
1983 911 SC Targa
http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg

When I rebuilt the engine, my dad and I COULD NOT find the specs for timing the cams. We couldn't even find the engine number relating to any car from 1971 to 1977. I set the cams for a T engine, consequently bent all the exhaust valves, (at the time $50/valve). I went to our P-mech in the area (later started working with them), they pulled out their books. No INFORMATION specified. I ended up setting the cams for an S engine, it RAN like a R*PED APE! It RAN hot as H*LL too! ALways at 250 degrees, no trombone cooler. I ended up killing two pistons, and breaking four sets of rings total.

Reset the cams for an E engine. Ran good, not like the S timing, but it ran cool (210-220)

I took this engine in and out of the car 18 times until it was just right. Then of course we had to sell the car.

Two months later saw an article in Excellence where there were some (200 plus) '73 1/2 2.7 CIS cars where the engine was producing 210+ HP. I will never know the status of my '73. Oh well.

Lose some and you win some.
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Nick Hromyak
'85 Carrera 7 & 9 Fuchs
Havin' Fun in Sacramento

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I had to laugh. "Miserly fuel consumption." Give me a break -- compared to what? A jet fighter?

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1969 911S Targa

Hello

Them again.
I spotet 10 missfits. Only little details.
Well didn´t count the Radio, Speackers, Steering wheel, missaligned number plate, the alarm retrofit with the valance lock and lid contact on the rear. Also the clock seems to work this time.

Generally much better 73,5 then the previous car. Those seats are the best and will rise the value.

Grüsse

you guys are a tough crowd!

Not many 30 year old cars are perfect, and that 911 is not an exception, but I'd say that at least from looking at it, it is far above *average* for a 30 year old 911.

Hello

Well 31 jan to 1 Feb would be the split ? Just check your old calendars mybe there was the weekend.

Also the factory made some 30 to 40 Cars the day but the chassisnumber dosn´t direkt reflect the date when the car rolled out.

First the cars where ordered by the dealers and got a order or Kommision # then Porsche would arange the needed parts and try to organize the production reguarding things like bodycolor partsstock. To fill up the production also Porsche made "unordered cars" without specific buyer.

These charts where then aranged in the most practical way and the several departments made there dates to met the body.

remeber that Porsche also had bodys coming from Karmann the years before.

Now the Order# was fixed to the Bodynumber witch isn´t the chassis# but chassisnumber where also fixed.

While the body was finished it received several hidden chassis#. Then the car got his primer and paint.

To make things easier for the following stations the chassisnumber was paintet on the upper dash sheetmetall by using a special writing pen. The bodyparts where then removed and send to the working benchs.

Each bodypart was marked with the endnumber to speed up aligment the doors where removed by pulling the rods not by unscrewing the plates. The hoods recived a small hole for easy retrofit.

Porsche then assembled the parts and the car. However if something was special or Porsche had to wait for what reason ever the car was stored for delayed work. This was quite rare as Porsche had a huge warehouse and stock while the suppliers delivered partially weeks ahead ( No just in time ).

But some cars had more equipment then others and the newer chassisnumbers where overseting them on the line as they sat in special branch areas. Things like AC, RS, coldn´t run with the normal production. Also targa roof and electric sunroof got pulled out if something took more time.

Not to forget the "feared" Quality control on each stage that could send a car out even if everything was correct. Just to proof he was important and took his work serious ( Well seems like this would be a suiting proffesion for me, quality control ).

I know one of those retired guys and the even would have replaced the windows if they had a scratch or showed a distortion spot.

Porsche was a manufactorer back then. Also producing more parts for the car in house than Mercedes or Rolls Royce. ( Well that statistic was not made by Churchill as the RR would be #1 then but the fact is that the bodys where bought by other companys not to forget the Citroen parts for the hydraulics the GM trany....)

HISTORY ( Sniff )


BTW: had seen the new Bentleys on the weekend ( le mans race car ) and the Quality is still equal to new Porsche ( Just look at the A-pillar rubber from both cars, i think Piech drove the 996 but not his new Bentleys ).

Fitting 2,7 P&C was not just slip in you hade to bore up the case. Also the normal 4R or lower case was to weak forcing the crank to brake in rod 6. So this was never recomended by the factory but done by many guys who know how.........or better then the factory.


And yes the fuel consumption droped with the CIS.

Also the MFI where a improvment over the Webers but needed to much attention and had the warm up regulator problem.

US cars where always a bit on the rich side as the spark plugs couldn´t handle the lean situation and stop and go traffic. So Porsche used the stop and go spark plugs and runed it a bit richer.


Grüsse von Pickeldy & Frederique

Brilliant message - thanks for the description of the way the factory actually built these cars back in the early 1970s!

And you've given me yet another few reasons to curse the previous owners who butchered mine with cheap resprays (hey lets ruin the door and lid gaps!), non standard air conditioning - in a Targa! Grrr! ****ty alarm systems, and so on...

Basically anything that doesn't look good on my car is due to these cheap bastards bodging up some kind of "improvement."

- roGER

Hello

People who make bad improvment should recive impoundments.

After more then 20 Full rstos on 911 356 and 914 and some 100 cars with little work i allways see new improvments and how they send a poor owner geting berserk.

In europa mostly the electric is wired up sometimes with a hacksaw. US cars in europa get allways that sidemarker away treatment and have some other strange things. Sometimes i think in the US are only four wire colors and the shorter they run the better direct in the enginbay criss cross holes punched no grommets and not fused circuit either.

So seeing a non factory stereo and a alarm in a old car makes me alerting and seeing big bills or many time to restore those things.

Maybe this is the reason why I focused a bit picky ( or piggy ) on the car.


Say these are my babys and as a good doc I try to see any illness on the first glance.

Had seen what those guys made to some other cars and even a rare Arnold Bristol.

So who joins the guess what game. 10 spots that divides a perfect car from a not so perfect car.

Just wanna know if I´m the only one who can be named "the Judge"

I think those guys are reading this post and will get better by time making it harder.

Grazygrüsse

When I read Roland's post I picture an Arnold Schwartzenegger accent (I now he's Austrian). Interesting stuff.