RUF Electric P-Car

[ncseahawk]

No kidding see link

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/10/ruf-automobiles-electric-porsche-concept-gets-real-pictured/

[mca]

Ugh ... not on a 911.

Blazing fast 0-60 in "just under 7 ticks." I would have expected better performance.

Wonder what exhaust tunes come with that ride?

I could own an electric car in order to save $$ ... but then people would think I was driving one to help stop global warming.

I am looking forward to the next crisis of global cooling. Maybe we will all be required to breath faster and cut down trees so they can't eat up our CO2.

[raceman]

[QUOTE=mca;4230886]Ugh ... not on a 911.

I could own an electric car in order to save $$ ... but then people would think I was driving one to help stop global warming.

QUOTE]

yeah,you wouldn`t want to be mistaken for an intellegent,forward thinking individual who cares about the quality of life our children will inherit.

[mca]

Originally Posted by raceman

yeah,you wouldn`t want to be mistaken for an intellegent,forward thinking individual who cares about the quality of life our children will inherit.

Here we go ... I will debate you or anyone on this subject any time. To claim that global warming is man made is absolutely irresponsible and foolish.

I am totally for clean environmental practices when it comes to pollutants. I am totally for "green" development. These are wise and "forward thinking" ideas. However, CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

Did you consider that the production of the electricity to power these cars offsets any reduction of CO2 by driving the cars? Did you know that current CO2 emmissions by vehicles (globally) is 0.5% of ALL CO2 emissions?

Wake up!!!

[RWebb]

you are stuffing error after error into one small post

BUT - go start a thread in OT where it belongs


the ruf effort is much slower than the Tesla

any one know why?

[sen2two]

my daily gets around 10mpg. i could use an electric car...

[kilodawg]

Global warming debate aside the guys at Ruf are just amazing...

[tcar]

Originally Posted by RWebb

the ruf effort is much slower than the Tesla

any one know why?

Different cars. The Tesla is a roller skate (Lotus) w/ batteries, the RUF is a big car, weight is a factor.

Just a thought.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by mca

Here we go ... I will debate you or anyone on this subject any time. To claim that global warming is man made is absolutely irresponsible and foolish.

I am totally for clean environmental practices when it comes to pollutants. I am totally for "green" development. These are wise and "forward thinking" ideas. However, CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

Did you consider that the production of the electricity to power these cars offsets any reduction of CO2 by driving the cars? Did you know that current CO2 emmissions by vehicles (globally) is 0.5% of ALL CO2 emissions?

Wake up!!!

OK
So, if you are wrong, we end up with a really screwed up place to live.
If he's wrong, we end up with some cleaner air and much more efficient cars, homes, factories etc. and our way of life has a much better chance at continuing for a longer time.
Hmm, let me think about it.

[vreference]

Originally Posted by mca

Did you consider that the production of the electricity to power these cars offsets any reduction of CO2 by driving the cars?

There is virtually no way to work the numbers to make this statement true.

Modern, hydro-carbon burning power plants are, on average, 35% (Non-Super Critical) to 60% (Combined Cycle) thermally efficient. A modern gasoline engine is approximately 25% efficient. That’s pretty good; the number was substantially lower even 20 Years ago.

So counting a very large line-drop and assuming we have a very inefficient Coal-Fired power station the EV and an IC (Internal Combustion) vehicle have similar thermal efficiencies at 55MPH. In reality, most people often have to stop and remain stopped two seconds to two minutes or even longer.

Regenerative braking and simply not running an engine during this time are easily worth a 25% difference in fuel consumption when one isn’t in motion non-stop as in High-way driving; 25% is the difference between the City and Highway rating of the VW Rabbit. That difference does not even account for an EV’s regenerative braking and lack of an idling engine.

I won't comment on the ".5% of CO2 Emissions" number other than to say that the EPA is reporting 29% of US Emissions are from transportation. CO2 is not a pollutant? Because it's already in the Atmosphere? Is that the line of reasoning behind this statement? It sure is - to the tune of .035%. A significant change in this percentage will make the earth unfit for life. ... Which is the definition of a pollutant. The only thing up for debate is how much of a change is significant. If you don't believe CO2 plays a major role in the regulation of the earths temperature... that's another subject entirely. Suffice it to say there is virtually no end to the data that proves that it does. Unfortunately, Rush can say that it doesn't in about two seconds five times a day and convince half the population that he's correct through sheer persistence.

I'm not suggesting we take performance cars off the roads although extremists certainly do. Most every form of human entertainment involves use of a lot of energy. I don't mind making it a no brainer for people to commute in EVs though. To sum it up; hybrids get better mileage than conventional cars right? (Shake your head yes) You like saving money? Sure you do. Imagine if you could take the 25% thermally efficient engine in your hybrid and replace it with a 50% Thermally Efficient engine! Well you can't! So plug your car into the wall and get an equivalent (based on current (I did the math for this in july) fuel prices in the US) 190MPG. Get it? Good.

[chrisp]

The battery replacement issue is coming....FAST!

The real alternative fuel vehicles will be hydrogen powered. Until then the car makers need something to fill the niche and current hybrids do that.

This is very similar to the SUV craze in that everyone wants one. They don't really understand feature/benefits/consequences, they just want one.

[GG Allin]

My computer and the link above do not agree.

[RWebb]

Tesla does use a lot of cf and Al

they also claim to have adv. battery technology and a fancy motor $ transmission - think they got it to 1 speed

saw a nice diagrammed photo on it recently, but not sure where -- maybe in a recent mit technol. review

here is more info:

http://www.teslamotors.com/design/under_the_skin.php

if you had the right technology, an elec. 993 could be lighter & faster than stock.

cruise range and induction/exhaust sound and the hardest issues

the "squirt factor" on an elec. car is amazing