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Mine was lowered and CB by Bob Johnson at Johnson Autosport who is involved with Toad Hall Racing. They do a lot of Porsche car race tuning for TH. The car handles fantastic.

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Old 07-01-2009, 03:38 PM
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"Low" or "too low" is generally dictated by the range of functional travel of your shock absorbers. If you go too low your car might seem like it's "tied down" to the road, but, in fact, it would/could, on anything other than a billiard-table smooth surface, throw you off the road.

If you're able to calculate the usable range of your shocks go as low as you dare, just remember that other systems, such as steering, are all affected by excessive lowering. That's why Euro height is a beautiful "stance," when you see it you'll know that it will work as Porsche intended.

I know it's not a 911 (picture below), but the principle is the same. In order to get my E/P car this low required a helluva lot of work, like raised front spindles, fabricated rear lower shock mounts and raised rear upper shock towers, as well as a partial redesign of the steering.

For me, "stance" must equate to beauty + function. If it's lowered but doesn't work, then it's too low!

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It does not look like anyone has answered your question yet so I will have a go. The elements of stance would be -
1. The gap between the front fender lip and the front tire, as viewed side-on.
2. The gap between the rear fender lip and the rear tire, as viewed side-on.
3. The relative gaps of 1 and 2, referred to as the rake.
4. The gap between the front fender lip and the front tire, as viewed front-on.
5. The gap between the rear fender lip and the front tire as viewed front-on.
Like many things in this world certain proportions look "just right". The right stance is one that to the beholder gives a purposeful, perhaps sporting appearance. In most cases I would say this is not a stock stance as the factory tunes the suspension for a compromise of comfort/noise/handling etc. rather than purely for aesthetics. The "right stance" for me is something that looks more aggressive than stock but not so that the tires disappear into the fenders. Some air between the fenders and tires when viewed from the side is essential for me. Slightly nose-down in rake with tire filling almost to the fender lips when viewed from the front and back. Cheers, John



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I understand that, studying photography, but still, always people reffer to a car as it has the right stance....

What does that mean?

If i'm understanding correctly the right stance is a factory unmolested unchanged model. Meaning keep it stock.

Is that true?

I'm trying to figure it out. Are the original stock cars are it? Or modified cars can have a good or correct stance too?
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here is my stance!!!!





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how many rock chips on the rear bumper now dave?
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here is my stance!!!!

I think you need some wider tires? That reminds me of the "tennis shoe look" low riders in the 70's were fond of.
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how many rock chips on the rear bumper now dave?


LOL..Don..im cracking up here.....and a shiet load of them so far...cant help it.....

Thats the stance ED....LOL..
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An older pic of my car was posted above, so I thought I'd post a more recent pic taken by a fellow Pelican in her latest guise. I love the angle.

The wheels are different....they're still forged, but they're 17's now, and she's gone thru a substantial suspension change since the pic above was taken.

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ed, your targa was my desktop for about a month, i love that car, so classic looking.
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I understand that, studying photography, but still, always people reffer to a car as it has the right stance....

What does that mean?

If i'm understanding correctly the right stance is a factory unmolested unchanged model. Meaning keep it stock.

Is that true?

I'm trying to figure it out. Are the original stock cars are it? Or modified cars can have a good or correct stance too?
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Most definitely NOT true. For a period of time that I'm not sure of, the USA bound cars had a much higher "stance" than the European ones. Why? To comply with USA mandated bumper heights.
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This is a cool stance !
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This is a cool stance !
Where do you get a front bumper lower section like this for a narrow body?
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This one should close the holes in the front fender lip, or connect ducts to them to channel air to his brakes. Leaving them open will allow to much air under the car.


This is how I stance...



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Where do you get a front bumper lower section like this for a narrow body?
That mod has been on the car (1982 SC) for approx. 20 years. I don't remember the source but you may try Better Bodies in CA.

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well i thought stance meant how the car look from a certain angle...but i guess i was wrong....but from watching all these porsche...they all have a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet stance...
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