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175K911 07-22-2009 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aston@ultrasw.c (Post 4792393)
I have a RUF front on order, now I am having second thoughts!

What if you made the structure out of plywood. Something like a stack of 4 pieces of 1/2" ply cut with a jigsaw. The edges could be rough blended to give the shape you want. The ply could be a cheap grade, C shaped: 3 layers down 1 layer forward.

Then bond together and have the whole lot fiber glassed over by a marine repair shop.

Lots of grinding/filling and sanding to follow.

Then for the lip: aluminum plate or conveyer belting!

Of course I have never done this myself, but I have fabbed all kinds of goodies in the past.

My RUF style front works fine for all but the fastest turns on a few of the tracks I run. I'm just looking for an edge. And if you look at my original pic, you'll see that I have a lower lip extending about 2" below the valance, made of .21" conveyor belting. It doesn't deflect one bit at 120 based on a couple pics I have. So just make sure the Ruf you ordered has the molded in raised lip to attach the rubber spoiler to and you'll be fine for most situations.

BBShriver 07-23-2009 06:48 AM

If you're up for a really fun project, I've been wanting to do this. Not sure of it's legality in various racing classes though.
http://www.elephantracing.com/project/oilcooler/oilcoolermain.htm

Wavey 07-23-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 4792430)
It would be really heavy with thick plywood and fiberglass. You can buy a material called Alumalite from sign shops, lightweight alumnum honeycomb with plastic sheets bonded to it on both sides. Light and stiff. Splitters tend to be a consumable item, we've made them out of thin (.125-.25") plywood and out of fiberglass sheet, they tend to get very beat up. Best bet is to get a bumper with a splitter built into it, or if you don't want to do that make sure you design your splitter so it is easy and cheap to replace, also make sure it won't cause a lot of damage to your bumper when it gets hit or ripped off.

Actually it's the other way around - Alumalite has a poly honeycomb core and thin aluminum faces. Great stuff though, and I was thinking of suggesting this a few days ago. I own a sign shop, and we also use Alucobond (Dibond is another brand), which is a solid poly core with aluminum faces. The thinner stuff, in a piece as small as a splitter, would also be light and durable. Both materials are a dream to cut (hand sabre saw or digital control router) and easy to work with. The Alucobond would offer a more solid material to screw through, and the thinner stuff could be curved, if you wanted to use it to fill the vertical gap between the splitter and the bottom of the bumper.

aston@ultrasw.c 07-23-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BBShriver (Post 4793637)
If you're up for a really fun project, I've been wanting to do this. Not sure of it's legality in various racing classes though.
http://www.elephantracing.com/project/oilcooler/oilcoolermain.htm

There's a great thread on venting the hood here

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/455515-how-vent-you-hood.html?highlight=hood+vent

one of these days http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1248366091.gif

KTL 07-23-2009 10:30 AM

I suggest the dive planes / canards too. Chris Streit put them on his 965 front end of his '70 911S Turbo-Look 965 race car and he said they made a noticeable difference.

Here's a short thread on the winglets/canards/dive planes

Front Downforce- Canards, Winglets, Dive Planes, and Some Good Humor Too

gtc 07-23-2009 11:36 AM

Aerodynamics was not my specialty (it was machine design), but I know enough to recognize some serious misinformation in that thread. Most of the dive plane info seems ok, though.

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Originally Posted by KTL (Post 4794052)
I suggest the dive planes / canards too. Chris Streit put them on his 965 front end of his '70 911S Turbo-Look 965 race car and he said they made a noticeable difference.

Here's a short thread on the winglets/canards/dive planes

Front Downforce- Canards, Winglets, Dive Planes, and Some Good Humor Too


911st 07-23-2009 12:57 PM

How about this:

http://www.rennspd.com/P_Detail.asp?PID=389&Task=STD

Othersize make your own. Put a pice of plywood under your front to set the lower plane, tape cardboard in the back to act as a dam, wax you bumper well. The foam the area you want to have you spliter occupy.

After it is dry, carve out the shape you want and glass it for finish. Way to much work for me.

911st 07-23-2009 01:04 PM

Anoter thought, you could lengthen the front you have by sectioning it just under the bumper line and lower the bottom section and fill in the gapwith fiber glass mat. (I would section down and around the oil cooler opening or through it if I wanted larger).

175K911 07-23-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 911st (Post 4794402)
Anoter thought, you could lengthen the front you have by sectioning it just under the bumper line and lower the bottom section and fill in the gapwith fiber glass mat. (I would section down and around the oil cooler opening or through it if I wanted larger).

Interestingly, that was one of my thoughts too. But that's a winter project, not something I'm going to be able to do over the next couple weeks with other projects on the list. Thought I'd call Brad at BW Motorsport who made the original bumpers and see if he'd take it on as a project.

Kevin- I've seen Chris's front artwork and I'm sure it works well. might have to do some simple dive planes for now.

KTL 07-24-2009 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gtc (Post 4794215)
Aerodynamics was not my specialty (it was machine design), but I know enough to recognize some serious misinformation in that thread. Most of the dive plane info seems ok, though.

Graham,

Care to elaborate? The thread I linked was fairly short with not much "design" information. I'm curious to know how those little winglets can provide a noticeable benefit.

For Ed, In the meantime i'd block off the front grille opening with something to direct that incoming air in somewhat beneficial manner. As it sits right now it's likely spilling in and around the front tub instead of being dammed at the face of the bumper?

I have an IROC front bumper with a grille in it and no front center cooler. I would have left it fiberglass, but MA Shaw pre-cut the hole for me. So I had no choice but to dress it up with some mesh screening. I'll place a plastic plate over the screen and see what it does for me. Can always use some more front grip!

gtc 07-24-2009 08:47 AM

I don't like the explanations for why Jack's front wing didn't work, and why you aren't supposed to move the rear wing forwards. If you have a well-chosen airfoil in "clean" air flow, they will work just fine. The wings will not suck the car off the ground.
Two examples that spring to mind are the recent Scion tC which set the FWD record at Willow Springs and the Chaparral 2E.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1248450156.jpg

Sorry for hijacking... I suppose I should be posting this in the other thread.

175K911 07-24-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KTL (Post 4795941)
Graham,

Care to elaborate? The thread I linked was fairly short with not much "design" information. I'm curious to know how those little winglets can provide a noticeable benefit.

For Ed, In the meantime i'd block off the front grille opening with something to direct that incoming air in somewhat beneficial manner. As it sits right now it's likely spilling in and around the front tub instead of being dammed at the face of the bumper?

I have an IROC front bumper with a grille in it and no front center cooler. I would have left it fiberglass, but MA Shaw pre-cut the hole for me. So I had no choice but to dress it up with some mesh screening. I'll place a plastic plate over the screen and see what it does for me. Can always use some more front grip!

Oil cooler inlet is blocked off with a metal plate. Part of the reason I'm hesitating installing a cooler in the nose is because of the added air that could get under the car.

Had a conversation earlier today with Brad at BW Motorsport and we're going to try to modify one of his 964RS type splitters to work with this valance. But that's a winter project and one we'll have to experiment with.

Patrice911 07-24-2009 03:47 PM

Here what I did on my car sometime ago and it did a difference at VIR. On the back straight like you said the car was light on the hump, not anymore. I'm going there in the few weeks, since that time I built a wing, I will see how much of difference the wing do.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/365682-j-olsen-inspired-flat-bottom.html


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