'74 Euro Carrera?

[davidbir]

Just how similar is the 74 and 75 Euro Carrera to the 73 RS? Disregarding the changes to the G style body? I understand the engine is identical but what about brakes, suspension etc?

[skinnerd]

Would think all those cars would share the alloy S calipers up front and the usual small M calipers in the rear.

Suspension wise.....likely the same size torsion bars and type of shock.

Really shouldn't be any earth shattering differences at all between these cars.

Just the impact bumpers on the 74/75 along with the highback seats and later type steering wheel.
Very similar to a US 74/75 Carrera, but with the MFI engine.

[Steve@Rennsport]

Originally Posted by skinnerd

Very similar to a US 74/75 Carrera, but with the MFI engine.

Absolutely true.

[f3nr15]

IIRC, the 73RS shared the brakes/suspenion/steering etc of the 73 911 S, but obviously had the 911/83 engine, as well as the lightweight body parts.

The 74 MFI Carrera was essentially a 74 911S with the 911/83 engine dropped in, but the Carrera got Bilstein shocks, larger anti-roll bars, and wider Fuchs to fit beneath the flares. 1974 was also the first year of the aluminium rear trailing arms.

I realise that I have prob not answered your question;

If you were planning on buying a Euro 74 Carrera to backdate to a 73 RS, you would prob have to change the brakes and suspension to the long-hood equivalents to be ABSOLUTELY technically correct, but even then you would not have the light-weight sheet metal of the original RS.

[naparsei]

Not all '73 RS cars had lightweight sheet metal. Why would anyone backdate a '74 to a '73? '74 Euro Carreras are outstanding in their own right.

[davidbir]

Anybody else? We seem to have a contradiction here.

[Ernesto 911]

There is a nice little write-up on the comparison in the October issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car.

It may be a mistake to backdate one, as they are valued in their own right.

[davidbir]

Thanks for that Ernesto. I wasn't thinking of backdating one, I was just wondering what the difference was should I ever be lucky enough to find one!

Can somebody post a copy of the article Ernest mentioned?

[fryardds]

Here is a recent thread on the Early S board that has some info about the Carrera 2,7. Great cars that will only increase in value over time IMHO.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28264

[davidbir]

Linkee no workee!

Too many hhs I think....

[Ernesto 911]

David, I didn't see the article posted on Hemmings' site but you can probably get it on the news stand yet...
Or try this link to order the issue from Hemmings:

http://www.hemmings.com/store/current_issue.html?pub=HSX

A bargain real deal RS...
I gathered from the article it weighed the same as a '73 Touring RS, and had all the comforts of the rest of the '74-75 line.
They said most people could not tell the difference aside from the feel of the changes to the steering wheel and seats...I'll be challenged in just seeing one, let alone drive them both to compare!

1,544 Coupes and 630 Targas made most of them in '74.
Tough to find one in good shape. In Europe, according to the owner of the car in the article, a bad car goes for 20K with a nice one going for 80K.
Hemmings said expect to pay 40k/60K/90K...Low/Average/High.

Regards, Ernie

[fryardds]

Dave,

Fixed the link. Try this now.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28264

[davidbir]

Thanks Brian, that has a lot of good info.
Just to confirm then, the brakes and suspension on a 74-5-6 Euro Carrera are the same as other 74-5-6 911s-ie no aluminum calipers etc?

A friend who owned two 73 RSs years ago told me that there were many subtle differences in a 73 RS that could not be duplicated on either a repro or a on a 74. I drove both the cars at the time but it was so long ago and I was not a Porsche owner at the time so I had no bench mark to relate to.

[fryardds]

The '74-76 Carrera 2.7 cars came standard with AL brake calipers. I am not sure about the US spec. Carreras.

I have not driven a large number of different '73 Carreras and Carrera 2.7 cars, but from my limited experience there does seem to be a subtle refinement in handling from '73 to '74. This difference though could very easily be due to the differences in condition and set up of the different suspensions and/or tires.

[CurtEgerer]

Alum S-type calipers on the US Carrera as well. Good comparative info in Post Nr. 8 at this link:

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17087&highlight=euro+carrera

[Fidalgo911S]

Originally Posted by fryardds

The '74-76 Carrera 2.7 cars came standard with AL brake calipers. I am not sure about the US spec. Carreras.

My '74S has AL S calipers all around and Koni Sports. The sway bars are 20mm/18mm front to rear. IIRC it's the same as the Carreras that year.

Great link Curt. I'm not sure what John meant by smog controls on the '74. The exhaust system is the same the previous years.

[fryardds]

Interesting, the only difference I see are the shocks. The Carreras came with Bilstein instead of Koni shocks.

[Fidalgo911S]

You know, I bet they've been changed at some time. 30+ years are a long time on one set. I'll have to review the receipts......

Yep, here it is, JW changed the shocks a couple years before I bought it. Could very well have been Bilsteins to begin with. My apologies.

[fryardds]

Here is a '74 Carrera 2,7 that was just listed this morning. Always an Italian car with 3 owners, matching #'s, with a color change (who in their right mind changes from Orange to Yellow )

Probably a better deal for a European buyer though. Worth a look IMHO but no affiliation with the seller.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29707