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jkcrewsn 11-30-2001 06:47 PM

Another question from Mr. Clueless (H4 upgrade)
 
I looked for the answer for this in the archives, but couldn't find anything. I bought the 80/100 bulbs and am trying to figure out how to put the relay in. I think I understand how this works, but I have four fuses for the current lights. One each side for high and low beams. Does this mean I need four relays? And therefore all four wires to thicker gauge? I have not taken the old headlights out yet, as I am trying to get all my ducks in a row first. So I am not sure what I am looking at for a plug connector. Can anyone help clear this up for me?

Early_S_Man 11-30-2001 10:00 PM

Jeff,

Theoretically, for maximum reliability and redundancy, yes, four relays would be ideal, but most people don't want to do that much work rewiring if two will work!

There was a long thread started by Superman Jim last Dec. ... which discussed the issues and some different methods to solve the problems:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33255&highlight=light+r elay+upgrade

<b>What most people don't realize is that the original 1965 911 headlamps were ONLY 45/40 Watt Type 'A' bulbs ... the dual-filament, logical predecessor of the H4 bulbs, and there was never an upgrade to that 1965 wiring and fusing arrangement thru 1989 production!</b>

Here are some recent threads on the subject.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33493&highlight=light+r elay

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7018&highlight=headligh t+relay

I notice the diagrams are now dead links in one of the above threads ...

RoninLB 11-30-2001 10:04 PM

Duck #1 is the lens. Are you using prolaterian DOT. Duck #2 is brand of bulb . Are you using the marketing mans dream bulb PIAA Platinum. Duck #3 is bulb socket. Porsche stock and big bulb power is a no no. Some options on sockets are available. Wire dia. is another option. Marine quality wire is quality. Relays are another option, look into it. IMHO I would build lighting circuit that I would trust if I had to take it offshore on midnite runs. Is the north shore having any action? Is Pipeline breaking? I could use a web address of a surfcam overlooking Pipeline. You could mail me directly if access to surfcam is for insiders only. I could send you pictures of knots on my knees for credibility. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/fles.gif

Bob Goding 11-30-2001 10:11 PM

Warren's on to it as expected--I dug this one up for what its worth-----------
http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/how_to/relays/

RoninLB 11-30-2001 11:16 PM

Bob ----- that guy is a class act. He has plenty of options. He has everything anyone needs in lighting.

jkcrewsn 12-01-2001 10:01 AM

Thanks Warren and Bob. Both the links were helpful. The schematics from the link that Bob put up was most helpful, good information. Exactly how I needed it spelled out. Thanks again.


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