I have serious problems
 

I have actually thought about selling my truck after my car is back together and getting a '88-'89 Carrera coupe.

Talk about SICK!

That's what I really need. ANOTHER 911!
22 years old, two 911s...
I scare myself. The sad thing is...if I found one in a dealership and they'd take my truck on a trade...I'd probably do it!!!

Help!!!!!!

As some wise person on this board has said: "Life is too short to drive crappy cars!" - go for another 911!

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jrdavid68
1986 Carrera (165K Miles)
1980 911SC (175K Miles)

OMIGOD LELAND...you're considering a Carrera? http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif

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Jeff
1976 911S

[This message has been edited by Rufblackbird (edited 06-26-2001).]

Does this mean Leland will start the Carrera World Domination Plot? And merge with the SCWDP?

Sneaky path to domination, but beware the dissidents within. The SC purists may rise on their leader.

Oh come on, we already talked about that Boxster who wanted to join http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif

http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/010241.html

Leland! A 93 or 94 RS! That's what you need!
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A friend came over Saturday with his 93 RS that he purchased about 5 months ago. He has owned his 83SC since 85; also has two 914s, one is tricked out for DEs, the other one is a pure stock 914/6. (note the 914/6 is for sale and the SC will probably be for sale in several months - the 914/6 is advertised on the PCA-Potomac web site)
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But man, that RS was beautiful - his had the a/c, and sunroof options, but that's all. No rear seats, no door pockets or handles, etc. GREAT seats (stock) with enormous side bolsters. And did it sound sweet pulling away - a subdued snarling growl.
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Chuck
83SC

Lee:

My God, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

This is EXACTLY what I have been thinking. In fact, I have been leaving notes on a guy's anniversary model up the street.

But then I see the older long-hoods and I get all misty and wonder what it would be like to start trying to find a 2.2/.4.

Reason is that I am convinced that my wife is gonna LOVE the Pcar since it handles closer to her VW Cabriolets than her current ride, a Chrysler Sebring Limited. I would love to buy her an '83 SC Cabriolet but I understand these cars are quite dear to find.

Jw

My point is that you are all successful middle age...married, house owning...situated dudes and I'm a single, 22yr old airman....wanting his SECOND 911.

My father would honsetly disown me. But....my godness...would that not be awesome...

Go for it Leland. As soon as my wife's new VW passat is paid for, I'm buying another, not sure if I'm going with an early model, carrera, 964, or 993 next.

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Matt Chamblin
78 911 SC

Leland, if you want a Carrera, Buy mine!! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif
It's really reliable, and cheap to run! Honest!! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/rolleyes.gif.

I will even take your 'Knackered old SC' off your hands for you! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif

(Must be easier to reassemble Lelands car than fix mine!!!!)

We gotta get RAGTOP back in the fold before he puts a hole in the bottom of the boat. Maybe help him find a competent wrench in his territory or ship him up to John's.

Get the second NOW, Leland, because after you find the women of your dreams, that money will be going for a house, carpeting, washing machine, dryer, leather sofa and chairs, bedroom suite, new pots and pans, dishes, life insurance, medical insurance, house insurance, dishwasher, new stove and refrigerator, granite countertops, TV, another TV, a third TV, new bookcases and curio, crystal, serving dishes, oriental carpets, riding lawnmower, new furniture for the family room, . . . . . AND THAT'S JUST THE FIRST YEAR! Then in succeeding years, it starts all over! Not to mention her clothes, and a bit later (hopefully) the bambinos start arriving, with all their attendent expenses.
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Leland, better get THREE of them 911s now, while you can!! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif
Chuck

Chuck: Boy is that ever right! Gotta add the orthodontist bill as well there, though. My mom used to tell me she'd funded a VW by way of the amount of $$$ we paid to put braces on my teeth.

She loved the VWs. A '67 and a SuperBeetle.

She loved my teeth too...

Jw

does this mean thet Carrera owners can apply to the SC World Domination Plot??

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Ted Stringer
nuke3@juno.com
'84 911 Targa aka pocketrocket

Chuck is absolutely correct and you should listen up, Leland. Some of us can see into the future and if these events take you by surprise, then shame on you for ignoring us. Here's how it'll happen:

You'll fall in love and the car will move into second place. A close second. Along the line you will be promoted an average of every two years, at least. These promotions will come with additional responsibilities. Your money problems will change...income will be impressive - expenses will be staggering.

Then, in an instant, your whole life will be changed by aabout a seven pound pink thing that poops and cries and is the most beautiful thing you have ever seen in you life. You won't be able to take your eyes off it, and then there will be another, and another.

And here's the part that affects you: You will have ABSOLUTELY NO LEISURE TIME, WHATSOEVER. You will also have dozens of demands on your pocketbook and a partner who is skilled at shopping and buying things.
Did I mention you will have NO FREE TIME?

Plan for this, Leland by assembling (and restoring if necessary) your toy collection now, while you still can. You've been warned.

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'83 SC

i never liked white pick-up trucks anyways.

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Daryl 964 Targa

You guys are NOT helping.
I was expecting you all to say: " No, NO...a 22 year old has no business owning "2" 911s."
"You need something practical that will not run your wallet dry..."

I was hoping you all'd get this idea out of my mind.

Not practical right???
Two sportscars and no Honda...
I'd do it...I know I would....I am a lost soul. I'd probably end up living off of Romen Noodles for 5 years but I'd still do it.

And yes, Leland DOES have a soft spot for G-50 Carreras.
Sunroof coupe, H-5s, F/R spoilers, Polished Fuchs, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... yummie...

o.k. lee, i'll tell you what yo want to hear. you need a dependable vehicle where the parts are cheap and readily available for a daily driver, especially if you live where there are snowy winters.

and be very vigilent to save your money, your future wife will love spending it. http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/eek.gif

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Daryl 964 Targa

Leland...sell your truck?!? Better think that one over very carefully. I'd be lost without my pickemup. It hauls the Porsche parts!

Well Leland and others, if you must have a truck for hauling Porsche parts and other fun stuff, then buy a beater. I copied this post from a BMW good ol' Boyz list - - the author, Duane Collie, used to race Bimmers but now is lusting after a 993.
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The Beatle he refers to in the first paragraph is a Porsche. I particularly like his description of the Ricer.
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Enjoy this piece, I think it is quite humorous.
Quote:

I've become a hard core fan of beater pickup trucks. Gawd, they are
SO kewl. Almost as much fun (key word: ALMOST) as much fun as Beetle
ownership. The key to Beater Pickup ownership is to buy one that
still has some integrity left to it...one that is not beyond hope...
yet not one that you can't climb in all muddy or chuck a coupla
bricks into the back from 15 feet away. We're not talkin' restoring
a 1964 Cobra here, this is Ford F150 stuff....

A proper beater pickup must be 'Merican. has to not have any of that
crew cabbie stuff, should be a stick shift and MUST have an 8' bed on
it so you can get that American Standard of Measurement - The 4'x 8'
sheet of plywood into it with the tailgate up. The only required
option would be the sliding rear window into the bed so you can
dispose of your interior trash while going down the interstate.

My first BEATER (1982 F150) was too far gone. Bad Buy. Paid $
1,400.00 for it. Problem upon neverending problem upon problem so
that when you went to drive it, you usually had to work on it first
or while in transit. Not good. Sold it to some Hispanics that could
barely speak English for $ 1,050.00 and was glad to have it gone. Ugh.

My UPGRADED Beater (1986 F150) cost $ 2,000.00. It's MUCH better,
with such creature comforts as upholstery that still covers the
springs in the seat, and a radio that functions...mostly, together
with enough paint left on it that the redneck wimmen will still give
you a lookover as a possible prospective date.

Owning a Beater still requires work. But it's kinda fun stuff.
There's gobs of room to work on things that are all seized up n'
rusty, but you don't need a lift - ya just crawl under there with
your wrenches (both SAE standard and Metric - go figure), your
Penetrating Oil, and have at it. Need to change the spark plugs? Sit
in the engine bay. Really. Simple mechanics (unlike our much loved
German steeds) and you can get parts anywhere...really CHEAP parts,
too. I think I paid $ 9.95 for each shock on the truck, OEM
quality.

The Beater is a ball to drive. The shift linkage is so cantankerous
that there is no way you can speed shift the thing (my Freightliner
shifts faster), so you dodder over in the slow lane just plunkin'
along, sitting up high listening to all the rattles of the bed with
the thump of every expansion joint you hit. Gives you time to look at
the scenery a bit, as you are not breaking any land speed records in
the Beater. The hand-cranked windows are all down, 'cause there is no
air conditioning, which gets you all hot n' sweaty on 90 degree days
and therefore makes you get that 44 oz. Big Gulp to balance in the
pre-cupholder truck while on the way to go get some building
materials. THIS IS SOME MANLY STUFF !

Last nupon arriving at Lowe's Hardware to get about ten bags of
concrete, the battery croaked. I knew it was on its last legs and
was just putting off getting a new one, but the 90 degree days did it
in. Heh....now whaddya do in German-Car land when that happens? You
call fancy-schmancy "Roadside Assistance" for a rescue, and get a
jump or a tow, right? In BeaterWorld there was a Wal-Mart next door
and it cost a whole $ 29.99 and all I needed to install it was a 1/2"
wrench. Done in 20 minutes HA!!! Try getting a BMW battery at Wal-
Mart at 9:00 p.m...<g>

Beater Trucks never get washed or vaccummed. What for? When there
is to much accumulaion of schlock in the interior, you simply hose it
out. Yes, with a garden hose. Fret about door dings? You gotta be
kiddin' me....Buy upgrades? Not a chance. My sole customization of
Beater II was installation of a $ 2.99 Trak Auto digital clock on the
dashboard.

Insurance is a joke. No theft, no collision, no comprehensive. Just
liablity. I spend more at Wendy's on burgers in a year than
insurance for a '86 F150. And there's no personal property tax on
Beaters, either. They're too old, too devalued.

Wanna get close to something? Like a dumpster? You just keep
backing up until you thump it. That 1/4" thick diamond plate steel
rear bumper could care less. No liners in the back, no Rhino
coating...just Steel, baby. Toss in the dirt bikes, drywall,
pressure treated, old appliances goin' to the dump, or new TV's, it
hauls it all.

Brake Modulation is a scream. Wanna scare the ****ers outta some boom-
boom subwoofin' Rice Boyx playin' cut n'thrust in the traffic with
their jazzed Honda Accord? Well, when they're in front of you at the
light, you just come in a little hot and lay in the brakes a wee bit
late. On those old Fords, the unweighted bed rears will do a smokey
lockup INSTANTLY while the fronts have all the control you need. The
result is a deeeelightful n' horrible tire squeal you can hear for
blocks. You see the little teenie faces all turn around as they see
an imminent squashing death sure to come upon them in the way of a
toothy Ford F150 grill n' bit fat chrome bumper. How fun is that?
Modern Anti-Lock brakes would ruin it all.......

Some say, "Why don't you just buy a new one and not have to deal with
the maintenece and get a warranty, etc." Well ****...then I'd haveta
call Roadside Assistance when it breaks, keep a coat of wax on it,
vac the carpets (carpets don't belong in REAL trucks, BTW), get Air
Conditioning and an Automatic Trans so the wife could drive it, and
park in the back of the lot to avoid the shopping carts hitting the
flanks, buy an Extended Cab so the whole family can go to Home Depot
(with the windows up and AC on, of course, which means no 7-11 stop
for a drink, either, or scarin' The Rice.) In fact, the only people
who want to ride in the Beater are other guys. No Wives, No Kids.

Beaters Rule.

The reality is that if you buy smart (which I am sure you will do!), its not a bad idea at all.

An 88-89 Carrera, if its in good shape, likely will not need a huge amount of $$ in the next few years, esp. given that I assume you are not going to be putting big miles on it. If you do the maintenance and repairs yourself, these costs will likely be pretty low (of course there are always risks, but I'd feel safe with a good 88/89 Carrera).
It is not going to depreciate much, and, in fact if you buy it on the low side and take good care of it, you can likely sell it for close to, or more, than you paid for it, in the next few years.

Sure, you will spend some $ on it, but its always going to have a lot of value. So, instead of the $ sitting in the bank, its sitting in the car. You could always sell it and get most of that $$ back, so its not like its thrown away. And, in the meantime, you have the enjoyment of owning the car.

Put it this way: All the millions of people who buy Honda Accords will lose more in depreciation in 3 years than you probably would lose, total (depreciation, maintenance and repairs) in 3 years of owning the Carrera.

Do it!

Chuck, I remember Duane Collie from years ago. Where do those guys post now? I'd like to see what they are up to these days.
Thanks!

Jim, Duane started his own little list, about 500 members, called TheUUCGarage on Yahoo Groups. Although BMWs are the common area among the group, everything is open for discussion. It's a great source of information on topics in which you have little expertese. For example, I was considering purchasing a new bicycle for my wife. I learned so much about bicycles (street, mountain, hybreds, etc) on that list it was amazing.
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Duane periodically lets go with a piece like the above ode to a beater.
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Membership is open to the public - it's a fun group.
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Chuck

Leland,
Do it! And don't look back. As my mother says, " I've never seen a hearst with a luggage rack." Meaning, you only live once.

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Matt Chamblin
78 911 SC

You jerks...
I just might do it.

I'd probably have to drive to Salt Lake or Ogden to find a dealer that finances and would take my car on a trade.
The only other option would be to try and find a buyer for the "Imperial Gas Guzzler" and then just go out and finance another 911.
The Bank would think I'm nuts though.

Well that was easy. So now that you've resigned yourself to the inevitable, here are my feelings: The SC is kind of a compromise car. It's pretty luxurious with most amenities, but it's nto as quiet or heavy as, say, the 993. It's also not as nimble or graceful looking as the early cars. So, you can go in either direction.

A carrera is not enough different from your SC, so if you get a Carrera, it might make sense to replace your SC as well.

I personally would go in the other direction. I'd keep the baby you're building with your own two hands (should be quite an emotional bond there), and get a race car. It'd be a shell with a drive train. It would have luxury items like a steering wheel and pedals, perhaps a seat too, but not much else. Roll cage. It'd have LOTS of horsepower, it would stink and be obnoxiously loud. It would weigh no more than 2000 lbs and most people would be afraid to ride in it.

I wouldn't be afraid.

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'83 SC

Who cares? We don't think you are nuts. In fact if I have been seriously considering buying another, since you started this thread.

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Matt Chamblin
78 911 SC

Where is the luxury in an SC? Power windows? http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif

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Mark Szabo
1986 911 Targa 3.2
1987 Escort 5-speed 1.9 RIP
The Porsche Owners Gallery

Lee,

Forgive me father, for I have sinned. It has been two minutes since I lusted after owning two 911s. I have failed in thought(thought about it), word(talked about with strangers) and deed(have been to a dealership).

I have several dreams. One is to own one of every model. Another is to pick the best overall year and own one of each model from that year. You may be a very sick man, but we are right there with you.

Look at it this way, you've come to terms with it at 22. It took me until I was 35 to openly discuss owning one and until 37 to pull the trigger.

You are soooo much further along. Sy it out loud right now.... I must have two 911s...I MUST HAVE TWO 911s!!!

Danger, Danger, Will Robinson!!!!

R.S.

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Mark Isaak
'74 Targa

Leland, be very carefull. As former enlisted military myself, I have a fairly good idea of what you make. I also know what it is like to be without my car because I didn't have the cash available to fix it (and that was a FORD, not a Porsche). Besides, too much top-raman makes you impotent.

IF you can find a dealer that will finance, and IF you don't get bent over on the trade in of your truck, you will most likely get bent over on the finance rate (you never see 0% financing on 15 year old cars). The asking price for any Carerra you find, will probably be considerably more than the car is worth.

How long ago did you buy that truck? Not very long, if I remember correctly. You will be lucky not to owe more on the loan than the truck is worth if you sold it to a private party, let alone a trade in to a dealer.

As to you guys who think that once you are married all the money goes to your wife, all I can say is you picked the wrong wife.

If you are determined to get another 911, do what Superman says, and buy an early T, replace all the sheetmetal with fiberglass and build a firebreathing lightweight beast.

That very thing has been bouncing around in my head ever since I saw Jack's pics from Cambria.

Tom

Tom...
Thank you for slapping me back to reality... http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif

I already knew that...but you know what it's like..........:yeah....I could do that"... http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif

Leland...you're military, young & single? Other old farts on the board have warned you about the life of drudgery that awaits you if you marry for love. So, I'll give you some (non original...wish I could remember who I'm quoting) advice: "you can marry more money in five minutes than you can make working for it in a lifetime." Think it over, Leland. Or, as a buddy of mine who got a scholarship to Stanford told me long ago..."The girls here might be ugly, but they are smart, and they all seem to have rich parents." This buddy married one of those girls...he could afford all the P cars he wanted, but he seems to be into private aircraft instead...

Besides, if you go Carrera on us, *I* will take over the SC World Domination Plot.

Think about what a mess that would turn out to be.


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blue
'81 SC Targa

MAy your freshly built engine blow up!

CAn't believe you would betray the SC plot... Remember the grass only LOOKS better...

Besides, I want to be the youngest on the board to own 2 p cars http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif

Adam Roseneck

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1978 911SC 3.0
roseneck@cyberbeach.net

Sorry Adam...if I'm to believe an e mail from Rufblackbird, a 20 year old in Hawaii, he's very close to having 2 911's...may have already happened. NO comments from me on the condition of these two cars, tho.. http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/wink.gif

Mark, I do think the SC is a luxury model, comparatively, and have a hard time distinguishing the SCs from the Carreras, which is why I wonder what Leland wants. As for details, my car has A/C, power windows, power sun roof, power, heated mirrors, rear defroster, cruise..... I'm thinking there must have been some fearful arguments at Porsche headquarters when the engineers were told they would add these things to the 911. I reflected, just this morning during my commute, how quiet and smooth this car is.

No, I don't really see much difference between the SCs and the Carreras. My second car would be the fire breathing, lightweight, track/street bully that Tom also wants.

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'83 SC

Excellent post petalive!!!

That guy Duane totally sumarized my beliefs of truck ownership!

BTW if you see a POS 1971 green Chevy truck puttering around. That is me http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif No A/C, gets cleaned out with a hose, easy to work on, cheap, tows like a champ, CB, gun rack, nasty cap, and, to top if off, three-on-the-tree shifter.



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Adrian Pillow
1979 911 SC
1966 VW Microbus
PCA - Peachstate Region

Yes - Yes - Yes!!!! Everything they say is TRUE. Wives - Kids - Dogs - Houses.

They all make P-Cars look inexpensive. By the car while you can - then fight to keep it as other priorities come along. The post was correct about no TIME to really enjoy the car(S) and play with them when other things come along.

Get a beater truck as the previous post said.
I have a '78 Chevy 3/4 ton - 400CID - 30,000 of the hardest original miles imaginable (low range snow plowing). No radio - No A/C - no options except a plow, a gun rack and dual fuel tanks (which are mandatory because you can watch the guage fall as drive down the road). If I "had" to choose one vehicle to piss around in this might be it. The springs are so hard that I went over a rough railroad the other day at about 10 MPH and my dogs head bounced of the roof (she wasn't very happy - and that is why I don't tie her in back). Never have to worry about it. Hauls all the parts/branches/dirt/etc (I dug to huge stumps from my back yard this weekend and hauled them away w/it). It is truely and AWSOME, FUN, and POWERFUL vehichle. I don't know how folks can live without one.

Anyway, get the car - enjoy - suck it up if it breaks. Have fun spend money on yourself before your wife and kids do.

Jeb
'98 Toyota Land Cruiser
'79 930
'78 Chevy Pick 'em up
'69 Triumph TR-6 (which I have not run yet this year for lack of time)

Dammit Leland & Superman, now you got me really thinking about it. I went as far as to do a classified search for pre-74 cars, and downloaded the GT Racing catalog to price fiberglass and Lexan.

I don't have a driveway, and no room in the garage for the cars I already have. I really need to move.

Tom