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DE Events / How Much Abuse

I just bought a 87 targa

80K Miles, In super shape...very few cosmetic blemishes...Mechanically all stock!!

Clutch replaced at 72K
75K Maintenance complete.
Just replace shocks all around / Lowered to ROW height / Alignment / CB
New Tires and refinished Fuchs.
Motor never opened, I have driven about 2K miles and it used about 1/3 of a quart of oil.

PO owned for past 12 years, accumulated a grand total of 9K miles. Spent alot of time sitting in garage.

Since appearance is what sold me on the car...I want to keep it as perfect as possible..

Now here is my problem..I always wanted to participate in DE events. But now I am nervous, can the car take the abuse of two days at Watkins Glen?

Questions DE events:
How hard are then on your car?
Running on the track...lots of road rash on front end?
Clutch/Brakes/Tires - how much abuse do they take?
Motor never opened - am I asking for valve guide issues or prematrue wear?


Any feed back is appreciated.










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brakes brakes brakes! how old are the brake lines? how about the condition of the fluid, the discs and the pads? I would upgrade to a high temp fluid because the brakes get some serious use on the back straight and there are downhill braking zones as well. I was there in relatively cool weather and my brakes were fading by the end of 30 minutes. in hot weather I imagine it would be worse.

just remember this is for fun and not racing. don't try to drive faster than you can handle. upshift short of redline so you don't over rev the engine. if you can't heel and toe, don't try to downshift as you brake. downshift after you have slowed down. have fun, you're car was built for this!
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Thanks..B-Fluid was changed last month.

I see you are in NY..where do you bring yours for service.
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I keep my car in connecticut. I take my car to Dan Jacobs. Daniel Jacobs LLC. - The Northeast's Premier Porsche Specialists
he's the best. rebuilt my engine and transmission and brakes and suspension. if I had more money, lol, I would have my car there more often! they can do anything. great people!
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car gets less cosmetic abuse on the track than on our lovely local streets. There is significantly less crap on the track surface than on our streeets. More rubber pieces but less rocks, pebbles and pieces of asphalt. If your worried buy a 2 piece bra. I used one to protect the front end when I started doing DE's. worked well. If you drive your on the streets here you have nothing to worry about at the track. come play. you wont be disappointed.
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Thanks Paul

Any experience with Formula Motorsports in LIC NY?
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never heard of them to be honest. only place on long island I have heard good things about is rudtner's racing
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Very nice! Good luck with it!
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Front Oil Cooler Fan Sensor.

Please put a 210F oil cooler fan sensor on your car.

The factory sensor, if you have one,
engages the front oil cooler fan at 248F (toasty warm).

You'll also be looking for A/C upgrades.
Try the folks at Rennaire.

Also:

1. Add front headlight relays from our host.

2. Fuse your front condenser blower motor (8-10A).

3. Fuse your instrument lights (3A).

4. Install a fused relay (10A) for your evaporator fan from our host.

I think your footwell blower motors are already fused-But check anyway.

Nice car,

And,

Good luck,

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You can always have a clear bra (3M) installed on all the impact areas. Front bumper, lower hood, valance, rear quarter leading edge, etc. if you have pristine paint and want to keep it that way. A temporary guardian is cheap blue painters tape. Easy to apply, easy to remove, and works well to protect the paint. Get a giant roll of 2" wide and go to town.

As for wear, my guess is your car will run better than it has in a while following some good hard use at the track. Fresh high temp brake fluid (500+ degrees dry and anything BUT ATE Blue), new rubber hoses if they are original, fresh 20W50 in the engine and fresh 75W90 in the G50, and brake shoes (OEM or better, up to you) with over 75% life in them. You will need a good pre-track tech inspection to check the whole car out also.. we want you safe out there. If you belong to PCA NY Metro Region just ask around for their recommendations.
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Is that a difficult sensor to replace.

Is the 210 available here?
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Is that a difficult sensor to replace.

Is the 210 available here?
You must pull the front oil cooler for access to the sensor.

I did it in about two hours.

The optimum operating oil temperatures for 911's is 185F
(when the engine oil cooler thermostat is fully open, and 210F.

Some P-owners use a BMW sensor.

I use a Nason unit which engages the fan at 210F and disengages at 195F.

Good luck,

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Thanks Gary..

I had a PPI completed at BodyMotion in NJ before purcahse, about 2 months ago..

At that time, they also completed a Tech Inspect for Zone 1 / Metro New York..

At that time they did flush the Break Fluid..not sure about the gear box...
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Thanks Gary..

I had a PPI completed at BodyMotion in NJ before purcahse, about 2 months ago..

At that time, they also completed a Tech Inspect for Zone 1 / Metro New York..

At that time they did flush the Break Fluid..not sure about the gear box...
Not sure what NY Metro's time limit is on a Tech Inspection (if any) but for CVR - "PRETECH INSPECTION (SHOULD BE PERFORMED NO LATER THAN 2 WEEKS PRIOR TO THE EVENT, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO EARLIER THAN 4 WEEKS PRIOR TO EVENT)"

Gearbox should have been done for a 75K service, but that means nothing.. Best bet is to use a shop that preps cars for the track as a normal part of their business, that's why Dan Jacobs is so good up here. If Bill Rudner is close to you you can't do much better. Rick Deman is just over the bridge in NJ, he's well regarded also. I have a buddy that lives in Brooklyn, I emailed him to respond here, he uses a local guy he likes a lot..
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tech inpection should be 2-4 weeks prior to the event.

check out the DE section of our site at

MetroNYPCA.org

and some good reading, our DE guide at

http://metronypca.org/downloads/MetroNY_DE_Guide.pdf

Get the car inspected and come run with us at the Glen. Youll find there will be plenty of friends to talk to in the paddock about your car and where to get your work done.
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Thanks for all your help...

Hope to see some of you at Watkins Glen - Aug 22-23
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I just bought a 87 targa

80K Miles, In super shape...very few cosmetic blemishes...Mechanically all stock!!

Clutch replaced at 72K
75K Maintenance complete.
Just replace shocks all around / Lowered to ROW height / Alignment / CB
New Tires and refinished Fuchs.
Motor never opened, I have driven about 2K miles and it used about 1/3 of a quart of oil.

PO owned for past 12 years, accumulated a grand total of 9K miles. Spent alot of time sitting in garage.

Since appearance is what sold me on the car...I want to keep it as perfect as possible..

Now here is my problem..I always wanted to participate in DE events. But now I am nervous, can the car take the abuse of two days at Watkins Glen?

Questions DE events:
How hard are then on your car?
Running on the track...lots of road rash on front end?
Clutch/Brakes/Tires - how much abuse do they take?
Motor never opened - am I asking for valve guide issues or prematrue wear?


Any feed back is appreciated.









Nice Car!

If I am willing to track and Autocross my 143,000 mile 1973, you should be just fine.

If you can, before you do your DE, try an Autocross (the club has one on August 15) to start building some car control skills in a place where the chance of a bad thing happening is extremely limited. They will serve you well at DE. Then again, Autocross is lots of fun too.

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Please put a 210F oil cooler fan sensor on your car.

The factory sensor, if you have one,
engages the front oil cooler fan at 248F (toasty warm).

You'll also be looking for A/C upgrades.
Try the folks at Rennaire.

Also:

1. Add front headlight relays from our host.

2. Fuse your front condenser blower motor (8-10A).

3. Fuse your instrument lights (3A).

4. Install a fused relay (10A) for your evaporator fan from our host.

I think your footwell blower motors are already fused-But check anyway.

Nice car,

And,

Good luck,

Gerry
So what bearing does this list have on track use? other than the t-stat suggestion
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+10 on trying one or more autocross events first, and +10 on driving within your limits, especially at the Glen. Walls are close and quite hard.

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You can always have a clear bra (3M) installed on all the impact areas. Front bumper, lower hood, valance, rear quarter leading edge, etc. if you have pristine paint and want to keep it that way. A temporary guardian is cheap blue painters tape. Easy to apply, easy to remove, and works well to protect the paint. Get a giant roll of 2" wide and go to town.

As for wear, my guess is your car will run better than it has in a while following some good hard use at the track. Fresh high temp brake fluid (500+ degrees dry and anything BUT ATE Blue), new rubber hoses if they are original, fresh 20W50 in the engine and fresh 75W90 in the G50, and brake shoes (OEM or better, up to you) with over 75% life in them. You will need a good pre-track tech inspection to check the whole car out also.. we want you safe out there. If you belong to PCA NY Metro Region just ask around for their recommendations.
excellent suggestions! Griot's garage also has some film that is easily applied and can help protect the painted ares

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