Reproduction Carrera Oil Cooler

[enjefriy]

Porsche 911 & Carrera Oil Circulation - Page 7

Hi All,
The link above should direct you to the repro cooler that i am interested in.
A front oil cooler made by tasker for us$215

I only have the euro 28 Brass tube cooler fitted in my 1982 911sc, and would like to replace it with this.
The original carrera cooler is us$520 and more, is too much for me, plus 20% taxes on top, by the time i get it down to Brunei.

So i would like to instead get the repro one above which is at us$219.

Anyone had any experience with this unit. Being at under half the price, it seems much more attractive to me, and having only the Brass tube cooler, i intend to get much improved cooling with this replacement.

Cheers All

[Halm]

I asked the same question a couple of months ago and got little info on the reproduction unit. While I was looking, I found a used, original model and went that way.

FWIW, I was kind of worried about the large price difference. The health of the engine is at stake here and not a place to take chances. I think I would have probably ended up going original anyway.

[NoLift911]

Unless I am missing something - I don't think going from a 28 row to a Carrera cooler - fan or not - is going to do a whole lot for you in terms of temps...maybe somewhat of a reduction but for the time/work and money you are spending there are other alternatives in terms of an upgrade.

All depends on what you are doing with the car - track/street and the health of your current system, crushed lines, dirty/plugged 28 row cooler, thermostat working properly etc.

Just my .02

[Jdub]

I am about to move from a trombone to a 28-row. I have been told the change in temp. reduction will be neglible, and that I ought to move to the Carrera cooler with fan.

I would like to know if anyone used a 28-tube with fan and if that did make a noticeable difference from the trombone. That might help this discussion (if the poster has not used a fan with his 28-tube). You can see I am trying to save the money I have already spent. I can get away with this since I am living in a cool part of the country anyways, but allthesame...

[NoLift911]

A fan on a 28 row cooler will do nothing. The 28 row cooler is more of a heat sink vs. radiator finned style cooler that will benefit from a fan. The fan will simply move air past the open areas of the 28 row cooler - doing nothing in terms of cooling.

If you have a trombone, go right to the Carrera cooler with a fan - bypass the 28 row.

What I am not understanding in terms of saving money? - do you already have the 28 row?

If you live in a cooler climate and don't track the car (like everyday, a few events are ok) you should be fine with just a 28 row (again if you already have), alone (ditch the fan idea for this cooler)

I have a 28 row in a warm climate (100's summer) and track my car a few times a year and have no issues with temps.

As above...make sure your system system is functioning properly to begin with.

[jwakil]

If you are going with the carrera cooler, you will definitely want the fan if you live in a hot place like I do. Without the fan there isn't much difference between the brass tube and the finned if you are stuck in traffic. The benefit of the fins comes with airflow. I would imagine the brass tube one would not benefit much from the fan since there isn't much cooling surface and most air would just blow between the tubes. I replaced my brass tube with a used finned one from an 85 car and put an aftermarket fan on it. The main difference I see is slightly cooler temps on the highway, and much cooler when I turn on the fan at a stop light or at a drive thru (I no longer have to panic as the needle would start climbing). Also, if you are going to put a fan on, you will want to put the shielding around the sides. Otherwise the hot air will recirculate. By the way, I have a used brass tube one (from my 83SC) I'll let go for $75 plus shipping.

[sailchef]

I bought the reproduction. I don't track my car and rarely drive it in high summer temps. It looked solid when i received it and was packed well. I haven't installed the fan as of yet but wll be doing so eventually. I think with either this one or the OEM you need to move the horns out of the way to get more unobstructed air flow. I have also purchased the air scoop for the side of the bumper that still needs to be installed. You need more air flow with this type over the trombone. Haveing said that the jury is still out on its performance. This summer was exceptionally hot and the one or two times I took it out it ran a tad hotter than normal. I think this problem could be resolved, once I install the air scoop and relocate the horns. Like a previous poster pointed out once the fan is hooked up it should do a much better job.

[Jdub]

Thanks to all and do not mean to hijack this thread from enjefriy.

Will go in the direction of the Carrera cooler or equiv., with fan, cut out bumper and valance (have early SC non-driving lights style), and front-facing louvered right side lower panel @ hard lines.

[enjefriy]

Originally Posted by Jdub

I am about to move from a trombone to a 28-row. I have been told the change in temp. reduction will be neglible, and that I ought to move to the Carrera cooler with fan.

I would like to know if anyone used a 28-tube with fan and if that did make a noticeable difference from the trombone. That might help this discussion (if the poster has not used a fan with his 28-tube). You can see I am trying to save the money I have already spent. I can get away with this since I am living in a cool part of the country anyways, but allthesame...

Hi Jdub,

I have installed a generic fan with relay and manual switching.
Also removed the bumper strip on front of the cooler, and replaced it with a mesh screen to aid more airflow.

Thing is with my issue, when sending my kid to school, in bad traffic, Hot noon time, the Oil temp elevates to beyond the second tick (10 o'clock position, i.e. 120 Celcious). It does not come into the red, but i believe it gets too hot, as when restarting the car, it needs two tries before it starts, and when it does, it does so with a raised rpm, before settling down. This never happens if the temp does not exceed the second tick.

So as led to believe from discussions in PP. the Carrera cooler is more effective than the 28 brass cooler in traffic, so long as a Fan is mounted.

I donnot race this car, but do like to give it some stick once in a while.
However my issue is when i am stuck in traffic.

I've done the other checks with regards to checking for crimped oil line, operational check on the thermostat, Fan belt tension etc.

Since it seems that i only have this problem when stuck in high noon traffic, a finned oil cooler will help me?

[enjefriy]

Originally Posted by jwakil

If you are going with the carrera cooler, you will definitely want the fan if you live in a hot place like I do. Without the fan there isn't much difference between the brass tube and the finned if you are stuck in traffic. The benefit of the fins comes with airflow. I would imagine the brass tube one would not benefit much from the fan since there isn't much cooling surface and most air would just blow between the tubes. I replaced my brass tube with a used finned one from an 85 car and put an aftermarket fan on it. The main difference I see is slightly cooler temps on the highway, and much cooler when I turn on the fan at a stop light or at a drive thru (I no longer have to panic as the needle would start climbing). Also, if you are going to put a fan on, you will want to put the shielding around the sides. Otherwise the hot air will recirculate. By the way, I have a used brass tube one (from my 83SC) I'll let go for $75 plus shipping.

Cool. This is what i hoped for. The fan i installed on the brass cooler can blast away, yet only delays the high temps. With the Tasker made oil cooler at us$215, i am very tempted to get this as a fix. Being a finned oil cooler, and of similar construction to the original carrera oil cooler, i am also hoping to stick on the louver panel/Stone guard. Since its a direct replacement, the installation should be a direct bolt on....right?

[enjefriy]

Originally Posted by sailchef

I bought the reproduction. I don't track my car and rarely drive it in high summer temps. It looked solid when i received it and was packed well. I haven't installed the fan as of yet but wll be doing so eventually. I think with either this one or the OEM you need to move the horns out of the way to get more unobstructed air flow. I have also purchased the air scoop for the side of the bumper that still needs to be installed. You need more air flow with this type over the trombone. Haveing said that the jury is still out on its performance. This summer was exceptionally hot and the one or two times I took it out it ran a tad hotter than normal. I think this problem could be resolved, once I install the air scoop and relocate the horns. Like a previous poster pointed out once the fan is hooked up it should do a much better job.

Thanks Sailchef,

Sounds encouraging.
With a solid construction, similar finned designed, and interchangeability with the original, i guess i'd have a go. I already have a fan hooked up.

Now i just need advise on what else i may need with this install.
The rubber mounts on mine are all tip top.
The Horns have been relocated already, from a previous effort to improve airflow path thru my brass cooler.
My understanding is that the inlet/outlet of the brass cooler is similar to the carrera type oil cooler, and hence the installation from brass oil cooler to carrera type type oil cooler shud be a snap.

cheers gang

[sailchef]

Originally Posted by enjefriy

Since its a direct replacement, the installation should be a direct bolt on....right?

Correct.

[jwakil]

The top attachment point of the brass cooler is different than the Carrera, so you will have to rig up a little adapter bracket or something. I found the hardest part was the getting the short pipes attached to the solid lines on the car. You have to use a lot of force to get them aligned and screw on without stripping the threads. Its good if you have two people, one to align, and another to screw on.