Why can't Porsche make aftermarket engines?

[Kurt B]

I just don't understand why I can't go down and buy a brand new 3.2 for a reasonable price. I ain't asking much...if I had to lay down 8 to 10k for a brand new 3.2 that would be fine. The time and trouble of rebuilding a 3.2 leaves me with only one choice. I will have to BUY another engine first and rebuilt one of them...I guess I'd put the best one at the time in, and rebuild the other. But unless I want to drive Leland's Pimpster for 10 months, I don't have much choice.
This end of Porsche, is a little weak I must say (aside from incomprehensible the heater controls)


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Kurt B
1984 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Page
carrera_cabriolet@yahoo.com

[roGERK]

Are you sure this is the case Kurt?

A few years ago a friend of mine in the UK had his 3.2 "factory reconditioned" but the price was horrific - over $20,000 if memory serves.

Luckily, he runs a software company so can afford it.

- roGER

[Kurt B]

That's truly horrific of course because it represents the value of my whole car...

When I pull into someplace where a 996 or boxter is, all eyes are on my machine. I was leaving a drive-thru last night, a place where a lot of high schoolers and college kids hang out, and I could literally hear people "check out that Porsche" and "nice car man" when I was leaving. So I dont' mind investing what is necessary except for 10 months of my life!

Anyway..back to the issue at hand.

Of all the companies to be making aftermarket engines, Porsche is it. I mean, every Porsche is valuable regardless of the year.
In fact, a program to sell maybe not the exact same engines, but some generic air-cooled flat 6 akin to what chevy does. An SC, or a Carrera or whatever can take that engine. One gets pistons, cylinders of choice etc. And it's made by Porsche, so there's no loss in status.

And in the end, the costs are reasonable. They could do it for 10k per engine, and I won't believe anything else.
I understand Germans get like 12 weeks of vacation a year and only have to work 3 days a week for 4 hours a day and get paid a minium of 30 US dollars per hour (exaggerating these BTW), but they must be able to do it somehow.



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Kurt B
1984 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Page
carrera_cabriolet@yahoo.com

[roGERK]

I'm not arguing Kurt!

But my point is that I believe they DO offer rebuilt engines - so why not get in touch with them and find out just how much it would be.

I very much doubt the price is "reasonable" or even close to it, but it may give you something to consider...

- roGER

[Clark Griswald]

Some of the engine rebuild specialty shops will swap your core. That way you can drop the new one in without waiting for the rebuild to complete.

[JohnC]

The exchange rate kills us in the states when it comes to german products. That and the fact that the germans have the highest industrial wage rate in the world (last time I checked).It would be nice if they started making some of their "stuff" in north america. It would give us a break in terms of price.

I heard that the new SUV will be manufacutered in eastern europe.Why not make them here where most will be sold?I suppose it all makes sense some how.

[Jim T]

I think you can buy "crate engines" from Porsche, or at least you used to be able to. These were complete from air cleaner to muffler.

The cost was astronomical, though. I think a new SC engine was around $30,000!

[Jim T]

I think you can buy "crate engines" from Porsche, or at least you used to be able to. These were complete from air cleaner to muffler.

The cost was astronomical, though. I think a new SC engine was around $30,000!

[Norm Faustino]

Eastern Europe is western Europe's Mexico in terms of cheap labor., This is just my opinion but it would make sense.

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78 Super Carrera

[emcon5]

It would be kind of funny if the major parts chain stores started selling rebuilds of Porsche engines like they do the more common domestic and asian stuff.

Nothing like running to Pep Boys to score a 3.0 long block.

Tom

[N11Porsche]

Kurt,

I know where you are comming from. Having the P-Car down for 4 or 5 months while you do an engine rebuild is a bit too long for me. You might check out Paul Weir in Seattle or Motor Meister in Los Angeles. You send them your engine and they do a turn-key rebuild. The prices are reasonable. Both have websites that explain their operations and prices. www.motormeister.com and www.paulweir.com

http://www.pelicanparts.com/pmpre/images/N11Porsche/P-Car2.jpg

Bill Carcot
1979 911SC
Diablo Region, P.C.A.

[emcon5]

Paul Weir went bankrupt. See todays thread:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/009968.html

Tom

[twin plugged targa]

Why not just buy a knackered old 3.2 and rebuild it with all the performance stuf!!!
Better than stock!.
Then when your engine is tired, just change them over and rebuild the original one!.
As for the heater controls, why do the fans sound like tortured Gerbils?.
Are they powered by Gerbils and it's the Gerbils screaming for mercy?

[Obin Robinson]

Porsche HAS made aftermarket engines for boats and airplanes. if i'm not mistaken, they even made a generator back in the 1950s/1960s [not 100% positive, but i remember reading something to the effect of that]. they have designed engines for other companies too.

i agree though, it would be nice to buy a crate engine from Porsche like you could from Mopar, Ford, or GM.

obin

[vjd3]

Porsche will sell you a new 996 engine for about $10k. Of course, you'd have to do the engineering to get it into the older car ...

Vic
88 Carrera

[Kurt B]

ragtop, you kill me man. You know, you're just like me BEFORE i tried to become Warren Jr.
Everything always looks easy. You know, pistons cylinders, some rods, a crank, couple o' cams. Can't be THAT hard right?

That's exactly what I'll say until that fateful 4 month period of complete confusion begins.
"Jesus, what the hell is that?"
[sweating, swearing, pulling] "Yup, I finally broke it. But it's out."
"Another piece for the odds n' ends pile, which is getting considerably larger"
"I was shooting for December. I'm still shooting for December...2002"
"Hell, can I put my 914 engine in now"
"That was a 3.2 engine. Was...."



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Kurt B
1984 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Page
carrera_cabriolet@yahoo.com

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Porsche has complette engines, also long and short blocks in there cataloge. All engines within 10 Years age come over night here in germany. Older engines are made on order for exchange or your engine is rebuild. Longest delivery times are on the classic and race engines.

Also many other parts come per exchange over night. Tranys, electric, steering racks.

Wagges in east germany are 5-15% under west german level. Farer east or other countrys within the EEC are more interessting, if the £ wheren´t to strong the british workers are the best deal in price to craftmansship conversion. This is one part why F1 is runed mainly in great britan.

Porsche will not move out of germany or austria and would like to keep the quality at a high level. Some costumers would not accept a Porsche made in rumenia or korea.

Made in germany might not be the warranty for a better car but just compare the VW rabbit´s made in the staates´with the german siblings and find out why the Jetta became so popular. Ore get to the next VW/Audi Dealer and testdrive any car made in europe. Then get in the used car area and drive a 5 or 10 year old car. Compare it to a similar domestic or even japanese built car.

Other funny things: Mercedes still sales the G as some people will not step into a poor built ML. BMW runs a final preparation branch in wackersdorf. Official they just check and clean the Z3 prior european delivery. Rumors say every car needs 3-8 hours "fine adjustment".


And yes Obin they made generator and fire brigade engines, flight engines and many more. The industrial engines where liked by the military and used whenever the climate was on the very cold side. Most of them are still in use.



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